Big Thief - U.F.O.F. (May 3, 2019)

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First impression: melodied are weaker: too basic and repetitive within the song. Not my cup of tea. Loved Capacity though.

nostormo, Saturday, 4 May 2019 14:53 (four years ago) link

capacity did nothing for me but this was really immediate for me and i love it. i'm completely enamoured by that part in "strange" with the sustained "ahh" and the ascending bass line.

weirdly "from" really reminds me of late-period radiohead?

ufo, Sunday, 5 May 2019 13:25 (four years ago) link

also really love the way "jenni" is so immense after most of the album is so quiet

ufo, Sunday, 5 May 2019 13:31 (four years ago) link

also occurred to me re new from, quite in rainbows-y

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 5 May 2019 13:48 (four years ago) link

I think it's a less immediate, less song and voice-driven record than the first two were, and part of me wishes that weren't the case, but at the same time, it's a very beautiful record with a wonderful sound.

I guess when I saw her live the new material did have that immediacy, and I feel like somehow that got a bit lost in the production of both this and the solo record. The moment I think it gets closest to that prior immediacy is on Orange.

I mean the way she does From here, for example, just connects with me much more than either recorded version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QckxTQQ9XBo&t=364s . Somehow Luke Temple's production makes her voice sound too small and cute, although I do like the abysskiss version a good deal.

The song that connects with me most directly is Terminal Paradise, which I think benefits a lot from the full band arrangement. Others, like UFOF and Strange are a bit more obscured, though really good.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 6 May 2019 02:35 (four years ago) link

And anyway, at the other end of the spectrum, songs like Paul and Real Love sometimes felt a bit too heavy handed to me, so overall I like the direction she's going in.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 6 May 2019 02:36 (four years ago) link

i've liked big thief and am excited to check this out but o_O this new pitchfork review has some lines

"Adrianne Lenker, the singer and oxygen of the Brooklyn quartet, whose lyrics can, among other things, bind all that is living and has ever lived together at the cellular level. "

Ha! I read it too. It's goofy to put it mildly.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 6 May 2019 14:30 (four years ago) link

Being able to bind all that is living and has ever lived together at the cellular level is what it takes to get a 9+ BNM score on Pitchfork in 2019. The only people meet that criteria this year are them and Beyonce.

MarkoP, Monday, 6 May 2019 14:35 (four years ago) link

yeesh, I love her too but

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 6 May 2019 15:23 (four years ago) link

If you listen to the album and then read the review, it all kinda makes sense if a bit overblown. I do think the strength of Big Thief is that they seem plain and familiar on first blush but somehow pull you into a deep and strange world where the songs they created are the only things that exists.

But if I’d read that review prior to hearing a note of Big Thief, I’d be expecting something different—like, Charalambides or something.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 6 May 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link

that reads like the writer mixed up their Big Thief review with their "reconsidering midichlorians" piece on a Star Wars site.

omar little, Monday, 6 May 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link

I'm interested in the among other things, like can I bring my plants back to life with her lyrics? jk I love this record and I like this review too

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 6 May 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link

I like parts of the review by but it's got a little too much dip on the proverbial chip

I've listened to this album twice and so far it seems a bit weightless and slight. The great thing about Capacity was its contrast of delicacy with hugely muscular moments. Each song had a very memorable 'bit' in it that was delivered with surprising immediacy whereas on this album it feels like they're tiptoeing around, trying hard not to be blunt.

frame casual (dog latin), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 15:24 (four years ago) link

This is resonating more for me than Capacity, though it is a very insular record.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 17:17 (four years ago) link

I'm listening now - this is sounding fabulous. Opening two tracks especially

imago, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link

totally fucking obsessed with this record

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 01:04 (four years ago) link

i could go on and on about any song but "strange" has that gorgeous sunlit coda and "jenni" is this huge swallowing mouth of doom

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 01:43 (four years ago) link

“Century” has burrowed into my brain.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 02:05 (four years ago) link

you have wings of gold
you will never grow old

ufo, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 02:31 (four years ago) link

Entrancing album. It takes me places that feel eerily familiar but I can't quite put my finger on it, like a déjà-vu. It's tender like an embrace.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 09:52 (four years ago) link

i have never heard of this band before. their slow, calm, harmonical music is like a warm blanket i can wrap myself in. which works quite well right now as the temperatures outside in berlin are still quite low. the singer's voice who occasionally is quite mickey mousey (joanna newsom anyone?) bothers me sometimes but i kind of have gotten over to it. somehow their music to me sounds like coming straight from a huge dark forest full of elves and dwarfs. my fave is the first song "contact". i found it a bit hard to listen to the whole album in one go. maybe they should have gotten rid of a couple of songs in the second half. my attention span these days is not what it used to be. it must be due to the reign of the smartphone and stuff. concentration and patience have become a real challenge!

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:41 (four years ago) link

you should listen to their last album, too!! its also a blanket.

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Thursday, 9 May 2019 00:42 (four years ago) link

this album is beautiful

Dan S, Friday, 10 May 2019 01:47 (four years ago) link

thinking there isn't anything I will love more than this for a while at least

Dan S, Friday, 10 May 2019 01:57 (four years ago) link

another beautiful album by this band, but it isn't hitting me as hard as Capacity yet. prob just need to let it sink in a bit more. love the production though, particularly the way the drums sound on songs like the title track.

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Friday, 10 May 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link

This is really amazing

Evokes a sort of jazzy, gauzy quality that I love about Hejira by Joni without really sounding derivative of that at all

Also would recommend if people haven't heard it - Rozi Plain - What a Boost

again not identical or anything but a very great and evocative album that has a somewhat similar feel and mix of folk/indie/jazz, def comes from a different place musically but if you like this you might like that

listening again and i think the second half is what makes it special. love how 'strange' uses a blues shuffle beat and still manages to remain so delicate, and how adrienne sounds like a totally different person on 'betsy.' and 'terminal paradise' and 'jenni' are just devastating.

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Friday, 10 May 2019 14:34 (four years ago) link

The great thing about Capacity was its contrast of delicacy with hugely muscular moments.

i mean, there's that big moment near the end of 'contact,' but yeah, maybe that's one thing i miss on this record.

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Friday, 10 May 2019 14:35 (four years ago) link

Evokes a sort of jazzy, gauzy quality that I love about Hejira by Joni without really sounding derivative of that at all

absolutely the guitar on contact makes me think of hejira, the same loose, relaxed atmosphere. i thought exactly the same thing a minute ago.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 10 May 2019 19:20 (four years ago) link

The great thing about Capacity was its contrast of delicacy with hugely muscular moments.

i mean, there's that big moment near the end of 'contact,' but yeah, maybe that's one thing i miss on this record.

― i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Friday, May 10, 2019 9:35 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I also wish there were some harder-hitting vocals/songs of the sort the first two albums had. She definitely goes more toward the delicate on this one.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 10 May 2019 19:30 (four years ago) link

how adrienne sounds like a totally different person on ‘betsy’


Yes! It is my favorite! She is somewhere in between a growl and whisper there (“big lights in the city“ moment).

Someone recommended Rozi Plain - I agree. It is different but similar in a way

Greetings - I am a bit new here. I like to read the discussions

computerleg, Friday, 10 May 2019 20:11 (four years ago) link

The wispy vocals help emphasize that weird quality they're riding so well here. It's like they exist in their own hermetically sealed universe. Going back to the older albums, they almost sound too normal to me.

Also, the arrangements are all immaculate. I'm enjoying this a lot.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 11 May 2019 01:11 (four years ago) link

their slow, calm, harmonical music is like a warm blanket i can wrap myself in.

This is a great description of the quality I most prize in any music.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 11 May 2019 01:13 (four years ago) link

xp

I also wish there were some harder-hitting vocals/songs of the sort the first two albums had. She definitely goes more toward the delicate on this one.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, May 10, 2019 12:30 PM (five hours ago)

but the atmosphere of it is so amazing, better than anything they have achieved previously

Dan S, Saturday, 11 May 2019 01:17 (four years ago) link

I listened to all 3 albums in a row the other day & I really enjoyed how small and intimate this one sounded. Masterpiece, my first fave, sounds a bit too brash & widescreen when sandwiched between Capacity and UFOF. I’m really digging this one, with particular props to the Paranoid Android guitars on the title track.

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 11 May 2019 04:50 (four years ago) link

listened another time w the hejira comparison in mind and it opened up the album enough for me that it's now my fav big thief i think? ums helpfully otm

lowercase (eric), Saturday, 11 May 2019 12:44 (four years ago) link

I'm thinking this along with the new Lambchop will be my two most regulars listens this year. i love it. hoping the new Bill Callahan will be great to join them soon.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 11:34 (four years ago) link

I love this record. I wish I found the lyrics more rewarding but that's my only criticism really

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 13:50 (four years ago) link

I'm definitely having a harder time accessing them than with the past albums. Really any criticism I have is in the context of this still being almost certainly one of the best records of the year.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link

yeah, "not as special as Capacity" is true of 99.9999% of all records.

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:17 (four years ago) link

I've been completely obsessed with this record for the last couple of weeks, have now gone back to the previous two and abysskiss, and... wow.

Has anyone seen them live? They're playing in London in a couple of days, and while it's sold out I'm tempted to try to get hold of a ticket.

toby, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:35 (four years ago) link

i completely adore the lyrics on this album

ufo, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:39 (four years ago) link

really liked em when I saw em

but everybody calls me, (lukas), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 01:03 (four years ago) link

saw them circa masterpiece, very good

flopson, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 03:53 (four years ago) link

one ear to the floor
my dog barking loud
couldn't tell for sure
where the screaming sound
was coming from

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 11:45 (four years ago) link

I made the effort to get a ticket and was really glad I did - they were absolutely fantastic..

Also while "Not"wouldn't fit on this record, I hope it's on the next one, I can't get it out of my head.

toby, Friday, 24 May 2019 19:32 (four years ago) link

I haven't seen the band but I saw her solo and it was magical.

They are playing Brooklyn in October -- I hate having to plan these things so far out in advance. It's a fucking weeknight show, how can I decide five months ahead that I'll be up for it?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 24 May 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link

Shakey, when have I liked bands based on terrible hair

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:03 (four years ago) link

the songwriting isn't as pedestrian as most of their peers'

Understatement of the century, lol. The songwriting is astounding.

dad genes (morrisp), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:04 (four years ago) link

BT singer also has serious guitar chops

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:05 (four years ago) link

how douchey the dudes in this band look really put me off tbh. they seem pretty good from what I've heard, tho not really my thing

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:05 (four years ago) link

lol Alfred

xps

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:05 (four years ago) link

Tbf they only look douchey on 85% of the pics I've seen.

toilet-cleaning brain surgeon (pomenitul), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:07 (four years ago) link

singer also has serious guitar chops

idk I just watched the clips for "Not" (upthread) and some other recent TV appearance (Kimmel) and in both the singer's just strumming a few open chords, while the other guitarist is picking arpeggios higher up the neck around a single chord shape. idgi

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link

There are some serious fashion faux pas going on, especially the bass player and drummer, but they lean into it so hard, I just have to laugh.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:09 (four years ago) link

musicians with bad fashion and appalling haircuts, you hate to see it

omar little, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:11 (four years ago) link

he's just back from building a barn in east PA

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:14 (four years ago) link

I haven't had the opportunity yet to see them live (though tix go on sale tmrrw for a show here in August) -- but I've been absorbed in their albums for the past few weeks ,deeper than I've been absorbed in anything for a while. They're just so good... top-percentile albums. I'm astonished by the quality of the songwriting and performances.

Also, you can't judge a band by a ropey TV performance, everyone knows that!

dad genes (morrisp), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:25 (four years ago) link

I will concede that Adrianne's voice may be an "acquired taste" (as I'm reminded when my wife gives me a "What the f are you listening to?" look) -- but I completely forget about that, or no longer hear it, when I'm absorbed in their music.

dad genes (morrisp), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:28 (four years ago) link

lol the first time I put it on my wife was instinctively irritated by Lenker's voice as well and she's generally more lenient in indie rock-related matters than I am.

toilet-cleaning brain surgeon (pomenitul), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:30 (four years ago) link

The voice is the strongest element imo; striking and distinctive. The instrumental music is fine but not usually mind-blowing imo so it all depends on the songs. A few really grab me, the rest I don't mind and may continue to grow on me.

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 February 2020 05:26 (four years ago) link

High on the list of U.F.O.F.'s numerous virtues is the brief, economical, gorgeous guitar solo that closes out "Century."

― dad genes (morrisp), Tuesday, January 28, 2020 6:27 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

like the album but that solo on "jenny" reminds me of successfully tackling the guitar solo of "go your own way" on rock band 2.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 6 February 2020 05:59 (four years ago) link

Haha, I love a good one-note gtr solo

dad genes (morrisp), Thursday, 6 February 2020 21:15 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C_ax0XYn1E

fantastic footage of one of the new songs they were playing on tour

ufo, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 01:27 (three years ago) link

Sounds really nice. Are those fancy new custom guitars of some sort?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 02:31 (three years ago) link

they both play collings iirc. high-end maker out of austin.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 02:33 (three years ago) link

^when ur Casio DG-1 is in the shop

Anyway, that song -- OMG! I'm instantly obsessed. What does it remind me of(??) Some specific early-'90s hippie/granola rock touchpoint...?

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 03:08 (three years ago) link

Here's another good recording (different show):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bir8m4Q0yDk

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 03:11 (three years ago) link

holy shit, I can't believe this song... it's like the best thing you ever heard a cool older kid playing on a summer-camp mixtape when you're 12 years old

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 03:15 (three years ago) link

The only songs it specifically brings to mind, sound/vibe–wise, are Rush's "Time Stand Still" and Collective Soul's "December"... silly/inapt reference points as these may be.

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 03:32 (three years ago) link

It also has sort of a peak-R.E.M. feel (though not necessarily “sound”).

I can absolutely picture this song, appearing on a fuzzy live tape of an unsigned band, causing a total A&R frenzy circa 1991.

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 05:33 (three years ago) link

that rhythm section needs a podcast or a sitcom or something

alpine static, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 06:10 (three years ago) link

Ha, I'd listen to that.

It does sound like a song I've known most of my life, something to fall back on. It's reassuringly life-affirming.

XX post. re the guitars - they've been playing those two Collings guitars almost exclusively for a few years now. Maybe some kind of endorsement. Otherwise you're talking five grand each.

Duke, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 10:49 (three years ago) link

that's a great song (& nice sounding guitars), i'd love to see them live, they seem to be a band better in concert than in the studio...

walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 25 May 2020 14:59 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

this band fucking rules

treeship., Friday, 14 August 2020 03:16 (three years ago) link

i don't have that much more to say. i was listening to fordham radio and heard a live version of 'masterpiece.' it just ripped

treeship., Friday, 14 August 2020 03:19 (three years ago) link


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