What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

there are a lot of important things that aren't addressed in the Green New Deal. for example, it doesn't include anything about the mechanisms by which a price will be placed at carbon, which is probably the single most important step to reducing carbon emissions.

that's because at the moment, the green new deal is a resolution, not a bill. it's 14 pages, mostly a list of goals. i don't know what will be in the actual proposed legislation, but it will be many times longer than that.

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Anyone planning to watch the AOC doc on Netflix?

well, I am now

The trailer looked great!

It's good. Ocasio Cortez comes off very well, magnificent.

Man, and all the Crowley supporters in Jackson Heights made me laugh.

I wouldn’t be able to enjoy it, I know I’d be questioning the objectivity of the filmmakers the whole time

I’m sure it’s an effective piece of propaganda

you missed your calling as a film reviewer.

I kind of felt for the other candidates that lost and were so overshadowed by Ocasio Cortez but it's just not the way the story turned out.

fun fact: filmmakers aren’t objective, nor should they try to be

Did the filmmakers just document those four candidates or did they follow a larger number and then trim in post? I love all four of them, and I'm psyched all four are running again.

Wait, Amy Vilela hasn't announced her plans yet, but the other three appear to be running again in 2020.

https://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=79248

can we not

I think that documentary opens here in a couple of weeks.

Saw the trailer yesterday. Her boyf seems nice.

We chose to go on the climate offense with the #GreenNewDeal.

As a result, climate denial is now a losing position + we got GOP (incl #WheresMitch!) to finally admit that climate change is real + man-made.

Now it’s time to go after predatory lending.

Whose side is the GOP on? https://t.co/1nI4UQnEVB

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) May 10, 2019

a little early to declare victory on "+ we got GOP (incl #WheresMitch!) to finally admit that climate change is real + man-made."

this is what you do when you're organizing though, you trumpet each victory and you keep up the offensive on the boss.

YEP

nothing wrong with trumpeting victories, i'm just saying

"As a result, climate denial is now a losing position + we got GOP (incl #WheresMitch!) to finally admit that climate change is real + man-made."

is not correct

as in, that didn't happen

or, to the extent that it did happen, it's victory of the pyrrhic style - maybe there's a handful of conservatives willing to admit, under scrutiny, that climate change is real and driven by GHG emissions from humans, but forgive me for my disbelief that they're going to do jack shit about it in the future

jeez, Karl, it's Friday -- we won climate change

let's celebrate!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeBAG8tt2Vw

Karl yes but the idea here is that by saying it, you MAKE it happen - now the ball's in their court. whether that does anything, who knows, but it's worth staking out the claim pre-emptively imo

that didn't happen

Sometimes mischaracterizing your opponent's position is winning politics. God knows the GOP use this as their comprehensive approach to every position that doesn't follow their party line.

Sometimes mischaracterizing your opponent's position is winning politics.

"You and I know it's not true, but let's make the son of a bitch deny it!"

here's a challop for you: given our immediate political peril, i am not only okay with the left prevaricating about shit that genuinely doesn't matter if it helps move the needle on things that do, i would GREATLY APPRECIATE MORE

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it's not even prevaricating, it's rhetoric imho - - - - if you're on the listserv of any campaign fighting anything it's full of stuff like this. it's how you make people feel like they're on the side that's going to win BUT that the other side are still being actively villainous and fighting tooth and nail to try and stop it, so they can't be complacent.

yeah, i mean...i see where everyone's coming from

i guess i read AOC's tweet as too much of a "mission accomplished, now the next thing" kind of statement. upon extensive further review that was projection on my part

but it works cf "we are already building the wall"

When truth is a rhetorical option, we all lose.

But lets just savor this, I guess.

When truth is a rhetorical option, we all lose.

Best line in Spirts of the Material World

When truth is a rhetorical option, we all lose.

This was one of Socrates' main talking points. But the truth is (see what I did there?) that the option of lying outright, or shading the truth to whatever fine degree is in your linguistic power, is an option quickly discovered by every child capable of assembling a complete sentence. It was never possible to make truth mandatory.

well that said, rhetoric and slogans are things the republicans are really good at, e.g. their recent arguments about abortion, we really need to start adopting their strategies and changing the conversation

McConnell mumbled "it's man-made" to one of his play partners while he was semi-conscious in a dungeon

there is no political sah-lution.

lol Alfred <3

The truth is there are no rules any longer and the sooner the Dems get this the better.

"when they go low, we lose elections"

in political terms, the Democrats are a basketball team still committed to shooting mid-range jumpers

so AOC is trae young bombing threes from the logo

i guess? i don't think about my posts i just hoist

dems who hoist: AOC, warren, bernie
dems who dribble into a contested midrange baseline j: biden

can we return to an English-only thread plz thnks

wow like all great prophets im being persecuted in my own times