Literary Clusterfucks 2013

yeah but like, i have no idea what the context of that comment was. he is 70 years old. he might not have been thinking of her when he said that.

he could have easily said that, though--i'm not necessarily extending him the benefit of the doubt. he seems like a fucked up person. but the sanctimony of all of this just doesn't sit well with me.

i guess if the university took the complaints more seriously, they could get an official hearing and not this kind of public show.

Maybe I'm misreading this but

Watten had taken to bragging that, after Lindberg's suicide, all his major adversaries in the department had either left or were dead

implies a) recurrent behaviour and b) that he was indeed thinking of Lindberg when he (repeatedly) said that. Of course, these are mere allegations at this stage.

I don't really have many thoughts, just came across this this morning. I saw Watten read a long time ago, and I know he was one of the 4 or 5 important LANGUAGE poets but he really didn't seem poetically at the level of others. I see he had a debate on social media with Nathaniel Mackey (whose work I love) about Robert Duncan and "mythical" poetry vs. "materialist" writing.

I don't recall him making much of an impression when I first started delving into LANGUAGE but I haven't explored his poetry enough to say. He's had decades to hone his craft since the movement's heyday in the 70s/80s.

Call-in culture > Call-out culture, but in this specific case Watten seems to have retaliated against anyone who has tried to do anything about him, and this specific case is about complaints he has brought against two other students. It seems mostly to be a big systemic failure, and I don't know how you deal with that without raising a stink. There need to be some sort of trust before call-ins can work.

i agree

Not exactly pertinent to the controversy with the students but this is a fascinating read, if extremely long:

https://www.dispatchespoetrywars.com/commentary/an-encounter-between-nathaniel-mackey-and-barrett-watten/

https://slate.com/culture/2019/05/blood-heir-amelie-wen-zhao-controversy-publication.html

god ya is such a dumpster fire of all the worst people

Never understood adults who exclusively read YA books, but if it keeps them from fucking around with the stuff I read I guess it serves its purpose.

This guy deserves to be dragged hard imo: https://www.scifiandscary.com/this-is-not-a-review-of-hells-shadows/

(The review included isn't well written, but I assume that's because they're amateur reviewers, which makes his screed even more pointless and shitty... and he wasn't even responding to the review itself, but just any hypothetical bad review.)

omg that is amazing. Too many favourite quotes to list but:

"Another reviewer stated she liked the story 'a lot' better than J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter books"

More a 'kinda lol but mostly sad' story imo.

To the best of my knowledge, The Amulet's platform is absolutely unique. No one has ever read a faith-based tale like this one. Indeed, the prologue alone will make you think you're reading an Indiana Jones novel. Please note this: part one is the supremely eerie launch of the story. Will glue your fingers to the pages. Part two, nothing like part one, is the most intellectual part, the most provocative, that may cause a great many people to pause and consider what they've just read for certain passages are no less than startling. Part three is the mountainous dessert of the novel. Fasten your seat belt. The action never ends.

Given the intensely stirring premise that underpins this novel (as revealed by the conclusion of part one), you'll find out why the Hollywood executive wanted to speak with me if you choose to read the book. I will tell you that many of the story's scenes, beginning with the prologue, will almost jump off the page, their movie character so clearly obvious. And as you go, they only increase in scale and grandeur. Please enjoy The Amulet with my very best wishes.

the "mountainous dessert" is a technical term first used by northrop frye iirc

i myself am underpinned by an intensely stirring premise

You've gotta be a hustler if you want to get on i guess

This is just another level:

In the author’s note, Klein writes:

“And please note this – both novels were read by an entire Barnes & Noble store management team and were deemed so good by the two assistant store managers and the store manager that they were ordered and shelved right next to the works of Mr. King himself.”

Dean Klein, author’s note for Hell’s Shadows

man, I bet Koontz was on the other side

You laugh, but consider how prominently jacket blurbs from Barnes & Noble store management teams are featured on your average Pulitzer Prize-winning novel.

the prologue alone will make you think you're reading an Indiana Jones novel

You know - one of those classic Indiana Jones novels we all love.

https://cdn.empireonline.com/jpg/50/0/0/640/480/aspectfit/0/0/0/0/0/0/c/features/560ebf0950e6c513721c3534/indiana-jones-philosophers-stone.jpg

The birth of a new copypasta is unfolding before our very eyes.

Think you've read just about every type of haunted house story out there? Uh uh. Not like this one. You won't have a clue as to what happens next. Hell's Shadows is a wild tale of two people whose deep love for each other is severely tested by a house and the unfathomable creatures within it. And outside it. Gil and Robin Turner reside in the most haunted house of all time, a house so dangerous the Turners come to realize the house itself is hell itself. Evil. Deadly. Alive.

Hell's Shadows was inspired by the great and classic film, Poltergeist. Here, however, every character, every relationship, every place, thing and supernatural occurrence has been vastly increased in intensity.

https://i0.wp.com/www.rowsdowr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/n9bn0za.jpg

i highly recommend indiana jones and the hollow earth

Will glue your fingers to the pages.

I appreciated this image.

sci-fi self-publishing scene appears to the the absolute fucking worst

Wow

sci-fi self-publishing scene appears to the the absolute fucking worst

ya don’t need to be rude, they were just stating an opinion

"My ability to conceive and prepare prose are off the chart high."

<3

same

ya don’t need to be rude, they were just stating an opinion

isn't ya all speculative sci-fi these days anyway

"My ability to conceive and prepare prose are off the chart high."

Can we get a board description change, please? Even one of the minor, underused ones will do.

https://slate.com/culture/2019/07/delia-owens-crawdads-murder-africa.html

I had, in fact, only heard of this book because my sister read it for a book club, she said it was bad. Somewhat concerned that this story is going to drive me to read an ultra-long Jeffrey Goldberg article.

I am all in favour of wildlife poachers dying horrible deaths, so I have no problems with this writer's murky background.

Yeah this thing is weird since this seems to be pretty common knowledge—something her publisher def knows about. I think maybe the goopy Reese Witherspoon connection makes it a strange contrast.

I couldn’t find any info but I’m going to assume that poacher they killed was black

lol at However, the Wikipedia entry for Owens comes as only the fourth result when you Google her name

I am all in favour of wildlife poachers dying horrible deaths

Tbh this in itself would be one thing, but the whole 'white saviour' thing makes me feel pretty unsympathetic to these people.

xpost I love how the media is full of these stories that are just the writer discovering an article from less than 10 years ago.

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/benjamin-moser-and-the-smallest-woman-in-the-world/

God I loathe the petty and abusive statusgrubbing of men like that. Hope he sinks.

Bestselling Authors Band Together to Dunk on a College Student

https://jezebel.com/how-to-use-the-fictional-teenage-girl-1839863520

Every time this thread gets bumped I assume YA fiction is involved.

Why are people who exclusively consume culture made for children always so angry about it

― A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Tuesday, March 5, 2019 7:03 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink

We are very sorry to @SarahDessen for the comments made in a news article by one of our alums in reference to our 2016 Common Read. They do not reflect the views of the university or Common Read Committee. (1/4)

— Northern State U. (@NorthernStateU) November 13, 2019

pathetic!!!!!!

One of the tweets Dessen liked yesterday read “Stop shaming girls for the things they enjoy.” But what about shaming them for the things they don’t enjoy?

Not enjoying something is self-evidently negative and counter-productive and deserving of our suspicion.