the alt-right

The one thing I know is that it's not up to me, or any other white person, to decide whether or not a racist or a nazi has redeemed themselves.

Not quite.

of course not, it's a committee decision

What do we mean by 'redeemed'? Is this different from forgiveness? I do think she should take accountability and forgive herself, but I'm not sure how anyone is in a position to proclaim redemption.

would you tell the prodigal son to get to fuck, is what this boils down to

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would you tell the prodigal son to get to fuck, is what this boils down to

If he showed up wearing a swastika armband? Yeah.

But the point is, he has renounced the armband

Perhaps he was just getting it cleaned because it had egg on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKvuNBssXG8

Which article did you read? She hasn't renounced anything - she's just realized open racism isn't the rocket ride to riches and glory she thought it was. At no point does she say that her core beliefs have changed. She's still a right-wing hack, just one no one will hire because she was photographed standing next to literal Nazis.

Oh, the fun starts at about 6:45

...not that she's redeemed yet - for a start, it's unclear what her current political beliefs actually are

― imago, Thursday, 2 May 2019 12:22 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's unclear what her current political beliefs actually are

this was what mattered to me, to the extent that anything about her did. as she never breathed a word of them or even really described what she thought was wrong w her old ones i suspect she's gone back to being a "conservative" and pretending the rest of it came out of nowhere. as milo said tho the view into the mechanism was interesting

as for forgiveness and redemption, one is a thing you can only decide yourself whether to offer or not and the other is screenwriting jargon

Wake me when one of these bigots does their 180 and reforms when they’re on the ascent or at their career peak or haven’t suffered repercussions.

^^^

Let the cancelled bury the cancelled.

hate to get biblical again but saul needed the blinding light to give him that little kick

anyway all of this is very utopian and in all probability this person is still horrible. but the principle should be that forgiveness is always possible imo - with the possibility varying according to the crime

I want to add that this is “better” than if she remained a rabid alt-righter and it’s cool she shared emails, but this is also predictable and she wasn’t brainwashed and a lot of it feels like getting back at her old bosses, albeit with the juicy context that these old bosses are right wing extremists.

The son of the Strmfrnt guy comes close to some sort of redemption, cutting ties with his whole family, renouncing his former racist ideology, working iirc to pull people out of that world. People who sort of say sorry after they've been fired and blacklisted, fuck them until they put their money where their mouth is. Forgiveness is always possible, but it's not necessary.

imago otm

That McHugh piece...I am confused by the amount of pics of her. And the first big close up where you can't help but notice a wig? and the eyebrows? but both go unmentioned in the piece even though it talks about her appearance a lot. It's a weird choice.

Yeah, the eyebrows were ... notable.

forgiveness has to be earnt of course, it doesn't automatically happen if you lie low

I am confused by the amount of pics of her.

otm this was ridiculous.

just came here to post exactly what yerac did, wtf

would you tell the prodigal son to get to fuck, is what this boils down to

― imago

we've been through this, the kid is not my son, if some ex-nazi shows up at my door i'm not going to kill the fatted calf for them. the best they'll get is "oh, well, good for you, have a nice life". what do they want from me, a personal reference to put on their job application at k-mart? no, i don't know them, it's not my place to "forgive" them nor is my "forgiveness" meaningful or relevant, because their personal conversion does basically nothing to address any of the systemic problems that are of most concern to me. if they want to help address those problems, i'm fine with that, but "i'm not a nazi anymore lol please give me a job" isn't going to drive me to donate to their gofundme.

She was going broke and could barely afford the expenses incurred by her Type 1 diabetes.

Her “redemption” can be summarized in this one quote.

whoa

I was kinda confused (as a diabetic myself) how she'd gone so long without being diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes - which typically starts in childhood - without dying.

Also, yeah, the wig and paste-on eyebrows were very strange. I guess she's trying to disguise her appearance because she's running from her ex-Nazi pals, or wants to be able to tell a potential future employer "No, that's not me, that's someone else with the same name as me"?

my brother developed type 1 diabetes aged like 17/18

Maybe she has no body hair.

yeah, alopecia was my first thought - as yerac says tho, it seems weird not to mention it in the piece if it's going to be accompanied with a series of photos which really highlight the fakeness of her hair and eyebrows

I was curious about he diabetes, too, and found this:

Millions of people around the world live with diabetes or know someone living with diabetes. The majority have type 2 diabetes, but an important minority have type 1 diabetes (~5%). Contrary to popular belief, type 1 diabetes is not a childhood disease. It occurs at every age, in people of every race, and of every shape and size. In fact, there are more adults who have type 1 diabetes than children, although it was previously known as juvenile diabetes.

And fuck this prodigal son biblical shit. The prodigal son was selfish, greedy, and wasteful. Young and dumb at worst. I don’t recall the prodigal son attacking the poor/immigrants and spouting racist ideas. You do that kind of stuff, you have to do more than show up back at the house to be forgiven.

There seems to be a misunderstanding here. imago was positing a general principle, not saying that it currently applies to Katie McHugh.

That's interesting, Josh. I'm Type 2, but my dad was Type 1 and was diagnosed when he was 3, so I've always known of it as something that shows up when you're a kid. He died about 15 years ago, when he was 56.

rushomancy otm

xpost Sorry to hear that. I know multiple middle school or older kids with type 1, one with crazy number swings that are hard to manage; his parents get alerts and more or less have to wake up several times a night, as needed, to get him juice boxes or things to help regulate his sugar. And at the other end, my wife works with someone who has been type 1 who is now a body builder that more or less subsists, for the sake of convenience, on an all-meat diet. It all sounds really tough and scary.

the important parts of this story (still reading thru it) are the looks into the pipeline that puts these people in the public eye. ie the back-of-house people doing the hiring, who are ensconced in well-funded institutions like GMU/Mercatus or have long careers in RW media going back to the 70s

the fate and future career of this particular individual is of absolutely no concern to me, and i have no standing to 'redeem' her regardless. there is an unlimited supply of dead-eyed white women saying racist shit on twitter, should ownership & management need another 'star' to churn up and burn out, which they will, and already have since this one flamed out

breitbart not offering health insurance leaps out at me on an ideological level

The more alt-right people that become ex alt-right, the better. I prefer them when they are ex alt-right

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otm, I wonder where they turned to for insurance...

The thing is, every time I read a descriptor of any of the characters in this story, and it reads like

Taylor calls himself a “white advocate” and has written that “When blacks are left entirely to their own devices, Western civilization — any kind of civilization — disappears."

I just want to take baseball bats to these people. They aren't "prodigal sons", they are white supremacists shielded by white privilege. They regret nothing except they got caught. They are a huge part of the reason why this world is so sick and wrong, and I won't shed a tear of sadness for anything they suffer until, at least, every POC in prison on non-violent drugs charges is free.

i get absolutely zero indication (from anything in this article) that she truly gives af about her associations and actions beyond how it's affected her bottom line monetarily and psychologically.

anyhow, kudos to Gray for really digging into these networks, how weirdly incestuous and unconventional they are while having such outsized impact.

she can burn for all I care, how about fewer profiles on these pieces of shit once they realize they've ruined their lives and more pieces outing them for the disgusting wastes of flesh that they are

baseball bats otm, in other words

why was she fired from breitbart for the tweet about muslims and not that mcdonald's tweet? the latter made me feel more enraged

probably timing