US Politics April 2019 Thread: 'I find that pretty hard to believe'

I'm trying to understand your perspective. Do other members of your union think that scabbing is good? Would you say the things you've said in this thread out loud at a union meeting?

dan i, please shut the fuck up you sanctimonious butthole

suck my dick you cretin

(i really am trying to understand it, because it seems nonsensical to me)

xpost oh ok

i am a teacher in a union, too!!! BTWWWWWWWWW

i live in a state where i can be fired and lose my teaching certificate if i try to strike tho so maybe im not really in a union!!!!!

i said a lot more union skeptical things than that at our initial meetings like “do we even need a union right now” and you know what? in the end i still voted for the union

and when we discuss labor actions i speak for moderation and responsible use of power. and sometimes the vote doesn’t go my way! and when that happens i do what the union says. because i’m a union member: that’s my perspective

jesus, thank you for a straight answer.

suck my dick asshole

!?!?

you guys are both awful

Who needs Morbs

yikes y’all

The fuck happened itt today, and without me around to shit it up even

sorry guys maybe this is my fault for posting Comey’s dumbass tweet. but whatever you think about “strike replacement teachers” I believe it’s important to remember: James Comey is a pompous self regarding fuckwit who might be as much to blame for the current situation as any one single person.

as much to blame/ as

more to blame/ than

teachers rely on relationships built over time, so our union is somewhat insulated against the effect of substitutes. as i said, they’re not really effective replacements.

You keep coming back to this - if a district is so hostile to teachers (and... students) that strike action becomes necessary, why do you think the "effectiveness" of the subs matters to them?
If a district can get away with staffing with poorly-trained (or untrained) scabs, they will.

zoning out

i used to post on the internet for a living and i can tell you from my first-hand experience that some of you are doing it real wrong here fyi

frozen-let-it-go.gif

jfc

plz May plz

Personal attacks and ad hominems are not cool.

Disagree with people’s ideas and arguments. This is the agora.

childish gambino's long-awaited followup

Can we talk about how Jacob Wohl isn't already in prison yet pls?

M4A’s first committee hearing underway

good morning!

mungry4ass

The Dues Sucking firefighters leadership will always support Democrats, even though the membership wants me. Some things never change!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 29, 2019

'Dues Sucking'?!?

Dues he suck? Or, boy, dues he!

Dues he ever!

dues ex suckina

Historically speaking, I can think of at least one other time in history where imo striking union teachers were in the wrong and those who crossed the picket line to teach students in shut-down schools were in the moral right. But I'll admit it takes an unusual set of circumstances.

The Dues Sucking Firefighters Leadership is a god lost Kinks lyric

Yikes, Trump's Federal Reserve pick Stephen Moore enthusiastically supports child labor & having 11- and 12-year-olds work.

“I’m a radical on this,” Moore said. “I’d get rid of a lot of these child labor laws. I want people starting to work at 11, 12.”https://t.co/IS0V8w8HPx

— Steven Greenhouse (@greenhousenyt) April 30, 2019

go mine some of that clean coal, barron

Moore's got that "especially for sex workers" vibe re child labor laws

Of course, his own kids would land a sweet summer job at corporate sustainability at Goldman Sachs or whatever. Everyone else gets to work at Burger King for below minimum wage

it is time we all recognized that making children swab floors at a fast food franchise for pitiful wages is the perfect preparation for adult life in the USA

Interestingly, in interviews w voters here, the issue they have been citing first as a “too far” lefty pipe dream is free college. Have heard from people who love Warren but part with her on that.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 29, 2019

They don’t say Medicare for All goes too far, they don’t say the Green New Deal does. They say free college does.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 29, 2019

#JoeBiden Surging Among Democrats in Presidential Race, Poll Finds; U.S. Voters Support Wealth Tax, Oppose Free College https://t.co/08l04x5yyR #2020Election

— Quinnipiac University Poll (@QuinnipiacPoll) April 30, 2019

this just shows the power of "better things aren't possible" and self-loathing "the things we want are fundamentally unpopular with real americans". it's not just melt centrist politicians spouting it. it infects voters too. so in a way the melt centrist politicians are right!

a wealth tax (which to be clear i support) is way, way more radical than free college. it's a fundamentally new and very lucrative form of taxation what will change the the economy works. and medicare for all is (by normal standards of budgeting) more expensive than free college. but free college is where even people who like warren draw the line.

Couldn't it also be that they see health care as a human right that all Americans should have, while college seems something that mostly the middle class will get to do anyway?

it's not either/or but it is in their mind because they've (we've!) trained themselves to think so.

there are a lot of factors that make it difficult for children of the poor or the working class to succeed through academics, compared to children of the middle class. it isn't just social stigma or self-hypnosis.

getting a "why do I need to pay a school tax? I don't have any kids" vibe from this

Anti-intellectualism has deep roots in the USA. Richard Hofstadter wrote an excellent book on the subject. Republicans have enthusiastically tapped into that lately, while Democrats have tended to reject it. It's yet another way in which the two major parties have divvied up the nation into exclusive spheres of influence.

Also, the Dems have become the party of college-educated voters -- a remarkable shift from even the 1970s and 1980s.

feel like "free college" is still new enough to the conversation that sustained messaging and how-it's-framed could change those numbers a lot. comparison to m4a should actually highlight that, imo, since that's a classic "popularity has soared since it's been steadily in the conversation" case.

i wonder who (besides student loan companies) would be against the idea of using student loan "profits" to subsidize college tuition? why not shift management of student loans to the public sector, where theoretically there's not a profit motive? why is the status quo to allow third party lenders to make billions of dollars off of everyone else's misfortune?