These Drinks Is Vicious: The Killing Eve Thread

I'm getting enjoyment from imagining that after Blunt Talk was cancelled in LA, Adrian Scarborough's character had to return to England, change his name and apply his special forces-y background in a new role

I think you're wrong in giving up on this show--two of the first three episodes have been quite good (the first was a little slow).

Is this showing on UK tv yet? Just seen that RTE is on the 3rd episode of the 2nd season. Haven't seen a time for a British channel.

not yet, no.

sic pointed out that uk was 6 months behind bbc america last time.

Yes, it's not scheduled. BBC are waiting until the entire series has aired on BBCA so they can drop all eight episodes on iPlayer again, and transmission might come later than that.

The Poppy Family! I've liked most all of the music in this without knowing any of it--I even admire that it never relies on familiar and overly familiar standbys. But it was nice to recognize something, and even there, pretty creative (ditto the non-English "Angel of the Morning" later on).

I loved those silver pants a lot.

I really like this show but can I complain here about the soundtrack? it's so fucking loud and intrusive.

I really liked the music usage in the first season, haven't really noticed it in the new episodes so far except for them reusing a song.

it just comes blaring in in every other scene. the music itself is fine, but it's overused, and too loud.

I sound like an old person now

this episode was really stupid, RIP PWB

she's too busy selling gin(?) on british tv

(are those adverts new or are they just showing them again now? i heard it about a dozen times over the weekend)

I just watched the 4th episode. I decided I really like the music in episodes. I'm into the fuzzy ye ye, shoegazerous, asian covers. It fits with all the murderous, super styley, la femme vibe. It's pretty hot.

Some other television show seems to be getting all the attention...Still enjoying this. Not much music in last in last night's episode. I guess we're left to ponder what happened between Eve and Villanelle when they were alone. Maybe, maybe not (haven't read the books).

It's a bit shit now. Plot totally treading water, mostly lame jokes. Eve hiring Villanelle to kill her just to get her to torture another assassin was the stupidest idea. Couldn't she have just sent her a message via Konstantin?

The performances are still good.

I just like the characters and performances. I'm not sure how believable the whole thing was right from the start.

I don't care if it's not entirely believable, but I draw the line at nonsensical.

I still think it's totally fun. Just caught up on all episodes. I mean all Bond movies are completely nonsensical but I kind of enjoyed a few of them.

I think we're the last two standing.

I am still highly entertained by the show. I get a lot of pleasure from the clothing and locations and random dialogue.

I mostly find the two leads plus Konstantin endlessly entertaining. Eve has the same pull on me as Anton Chigurh in No Country for Old Men: "He's a peculiar man. You could even say that he has principles. Principles that transcend money or drugs or anything like that. He's not like you. He's not even like me." (Also true of Hannibal Lecter, Norman Bates, etc.--it's nothing new.)

"it's nothing new"

Yeah, I think in the Hannibal thread I compared the highly watchable tension between Will/Hannibal with the leads in Killing Eve.

yeah I find it fine. thoroughly entertaining. actually I think this week's was better than the rest of the season, something needed to start happening.

will watch sooner or later but this thread is not making it sound necessary

I'm liking it a lot, too. Though agreed on the Ghost plot being anticlimactic. Was expecting Ghost vs. Villanelle skillful assassinations instead of the wrap-up, and yes, hiring Villanelle was an odd way of getting them together and reestablishing her connection with Eve. Though with Konstantin breaking off from MI6, there wasn't a direct way of messaging Villanelle, unless I missed something.

Hoping Eve's recklessness has some blowback, but as her boss is aware and monitoring Eve, maybe it's being nurtured.

Jodie Comer does such a great job selling her character's moods. "BORING!" got a big laugh.

I am wondering the point of Hugo.

His shirts are too small.

well don't know how easy it is to buy that Villanelle is now just working with them at this point, but this was my favorite episode of the second series by far.

A bit better (Jeremy Dyson script!) but basically wheel-spinning.

nah the scene with tech douche made it worthwhile to me.

I've been defending the show, but I didn't like the last episode too much--although Eve's roadside murder was great.

co-producer Phoebe insists she's still very much involved.

'I'm all across it,' she says. 'You can't get me out of any conversation about any part of the creative process.

for all the moaning about this season I do think the last few (including last nights) were some of the best episodes of the whole series.

I liked last night's too--thought Villanelle was funny the whole way through, especially with Niko and Gemma. I like how Villanelle is now involved with someone who might be more of a sociopath than she is.

Nice finale, feels like anything might happen in this show and I’m good with it, Villanelle stayed true to her character in that final scene imo

yes!!!

Didn't realize tomorrow was the season 2 finale...Thanks for keeping details oblique.

Or opaque. One of those fancy o-words.

ugh. I still love this show so much. It's so good.

I just finished it.

I've seen a 5 second trailer for the new series in the UK but there's still no schedule that I can find.

this was a fucking amazing finale. in fact it could be an amazing series finale if they decided not to bring it back, though I'm sure they will

Liked it for the most part, but found the ending a bit of a non-event. I mean, you already know there's a third season.

i’ve had days of joy from “i want the recipe to your shepherd’s pie”

The finale reminded me a lot of the Hannibal trajectory.

I also loved the shepherd's pie (and smell ya later) convo.

Season 2 was a load of bollocks tbh and I havent even watched the finale yet.

it's already been renewed for a third season

yeah, announced a couple of months ago, changing showrunners again to a Fear The Walking Dead writer

Season 2 was a load of bollocks tbh and I havent even watched the finale yet.

S2 finale was p much a replay of S1 finale: Eve and Villanelle get really close and are about to fuck / become a couple but then SPOILER one of them murders the other one, but don't worry they'll get up when we and the murderess aren't looking

Starts 8th June on BBC.

If it wasn't the last season, I'd probably skip it, but this is their chance to do something other than wheel-spinning, like the previous season was

That's what I'm hoping, that they manage to get back to the intrigue and occasionally sinister feel of S1. Something a lot less jokey.

I mean, the humour was there from the start--I mention it in my opening post--but as everyone got progressively more chummy, there was no more menace to balance that. If the last couple of seasons had been shot in front of a live audience, they'd be cheering every Villanelle entrance like she's Fonzie in 1977.

Yeah from the beginning it was always gonna struggle with the issue of maintaining the tension between the leads. I would have preferred a major shake-up last season, even if it meant it being the final season, but I'll take it a season late. Anything to prevent another Dexter

First episode wasn't bad--"Jesus" was funny--second was worse. This guardian angel (or whatever) of Villanelle's is ridiculous.

Part of me wants to watch this for closure, a bigger part of me can't be arsed.

(See also Peaky Blinders which is spinning plates it could easily have taken off the pole last series.)

So far, Season 4 has kinda been a whole lot of nothing.

I can't even remember if watched the first two episodes or just the first--that was right after it started. Just haven't gone back, and I have two others on the go now (and finished Succession between). I will.

Don't much care about The 12, so planning on just watching the finale to see how Villanelle and Eve resolve.

This is like watching a game of musical chairs, only the number of chairs isn't reducing.

series finale this sunday!

has this been worth watching? I kind of gave up hope because the plot was getting incomprehensible in the last season.

The series finale was actually the strongest episode of the season by far--there were two soundtrack choices that made me quite happy, for one thing--but it feels like too little, too late. Getting Eve and Villanelle together only highlights how much stronger the season would have been if they'd been given more screen time together. And for a show has consistently handled queerness without the usual bullshit, it was really disappointing to see the series conclude with two particularly musty homophobic tropes: the psychotically obsessed lesbian (Gunn), and the bury-your-gays conclusion.

Watching the finale made me feel confident that quitting after season 1 was the right decision. Performers are still good but the writing seems like active sabotage.

I don’t know what the other writers were like on the first season, but every season since has seemed like… stuff just happened and characters seem to care, but maybe not? It might be my reading of it, but the ongoing events just seem ephemeral and I’d have to attempt to remember what happened when I started the next.

If I binged it, maybe it’d have been more connected? I can reduce an entire season’s plot summary to five bullet points or less, which is fine if there’s a lot of internal character work, but I didn’t get that.

Conceding that I haven't gone any farther than I noted above--first couple of episodes into this season (looking forward to those musical cues crypto mentions)--with both this and The Handmaid's Tale (and Mr. Robot to an extent, and probably lots of shows), it just feels like they weren't meant to go beyond a couple of seasons. But they caught on immediately because of strong first seasons, which cornered them into an extended stay--I'm sure it's hard to walk away after all that flurry of attention and awards.

The opposite of Mindhunter, which should have kept going but left so much hanging.

When the tv series started it was a Phoebe Waller Bridge writing project based on a successful book series. Then she dropped away from writing and became a producer I think. I enjoyed it for the most part but do wonder how it would have fared if she had remained writer.

somewhere around the end of season 2 I started to just find the actual plot machinations incomprehensible.

The machinations were not a problem for me until the show started caring more about the incomprehensible plot than the characters (so, Season 4).

I'll analogize a point I've made before in this thread. The biggest mistake was trying, bit by bit, to make Villanelle more likeable...I'll stop short of saying they tried to "humanize" her, but they did methodically soften the nasty edge. It reminds me of what they did with Carroll O'Connor on All in the Family (and especially moving into his spin-off show): they tried to make him lovable. Early on, the character's racism was front and center, and you had to gauge how you felt about the rest of him in relation to that.

Alf Garnett was a working class icon apparently. I think it was said that he became far more popular and was taken more seriously or at least sympathised with much more than intended. People taking his political stance as something to copy etc. So not sure to what extent he was rewritten in transatlantic translation.
I have read that one has to make even the worst character sympathetic to some extent or one will just not care what happens to them. Not sure how much control one has over audience interpretation.
Archie Bunker just being the same character in US remake of the show etc.

So reception must have been different , though I thought Bunker had similar unintended support for what was intended asa satirical character. Buut why you would need to sweeten him for public consumption I don't know,.
I do remember an American I was talking to in the late 80s bewailing the addition of unconvincing happy endings as a Hollywood trope around then which is presumably years later. Can't have the audience feeling bad after all.

My impression was that neither character seemed much different from where PWB left them at the end of Season 1. And that they can both act their socks off, but don't have much chemistry together because their relationship doesn't make much sense + Eve's "messiness" seems like a convenient way to lampshade a motiveless character

I want to read the source novels to see if that makes any more sense there. & see what has changed.

Jeez this final season was bad. I agree with cryptosicko that the finale was the best episode of this bunch but mostly made me wish Eve and Villanelle had been working together all season. Instead we got a whirlwind of underdeveloped, confusing plotlines and characters. Feel like the writers threw in every idea they could so that you didn't think too hard about the show having no purpose anymore

the dancing / killing montage was the best thing all season, everything else was just background tv

but generally i'm just glad i don't have to watch it any more

I watched this as a conpletist, but series 4 was at least 6, probably 7 episodes too long. There were fun bits, like the Jesus stuff, but they didn't contribute to the plot. Even the whole Pam thread, which went on forever, was entirely superfluous and could have been resolved in less than 10 minutes of screen time using existing characters.

I quite liked that actress in We Are Lady Parts but Pam is so superfluous to the story and not very well- defined. And then they introduced yet another barely-characterized female assassin! at some point, it becomes funny how bad it is