pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

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Ya sorry but music writers have never had to face even a modicum of the level of entitlement, resentment, intrusiveness and abuse that musicians face every day from punters, fans, journalists, family and friends.

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 22:41 (five years ago) link

woe to the music writer who’s said a harsh word about an arena-filling act though

feel like musicians get their art assailed and critics get their existence as a human attacked. not exclusively, but more often in those terms

mh, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 03:24 (five years ago) link

No, musicians have their entire existence and personhood threatened on a daily basis by the nearest possible asshole

I track textbook abusive patterns in the way that even “respected” journalists report on and speak on the works of musicians. Even in this thread, a group of extremely kind and generous individuals have been determined to be “bullies” off the back of a poorly realized promo campaign

The irony is that most music writers, once they themselves publish, have that epiphany where they see how musicians feel every day— Ann when her book got middling reviews, Carl when his book got celebrated by the wrong people, Maura when she herself faced a mob of entitled crowd-funders, and on and on and on. You literally have no idea what it’s like until you experience it yourself

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 04:06 (five years ago) link

I’m sorry. All of that is completely wrong and I’m sorry that’s come your direction

mh, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 04:21 (five years ago) link

Dogg, dudes/chicks in indie band have weird stalkers and shit, which is not like someone blowing up your menchies because you said ‘My Teenage Dream Has Ended’ is more of a feminist statement than ‘Lemonade’

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 04:30 (five years ago) link

noted

mh, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 04:44 (five years ago) link

Ya like I have two dudes who send me semi-annual death threats. One of them still habitually e-mail-harasses my ex, with whom I broke up with three years ago.

If I were to go into detail about the sexual harassment I've experienced you'd have a panic attack, and like, I'm a DUDE.

It's not really about me either, musicians face an incredible amount of dehumanization, it's always been the case and it's getting worse; apparently, to the point where a musician can't call themselves "queer" unless they actively are engaging in queer sex at that exact point in time, or a musician can't be a landlord, or a musician isn't allowed to clap back at a bad review without the entire internet calling her "entitled" or "diva" or a purveyor of "a terrible look"

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 04:50 (five years ago) link

Anyway, speaking of shit that musicians probably shouldn't say, when is that paywall on Pitchfork going up? Every musician and every label is waiting with baited breath

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 04:52 (five years ago) link

I’m goin to outright disavow how I phrased things earlier and just agree that the criticism of where an artist stands and the perception of who they “really are” has taken a weird turn in public perception and discourse and the ability to make work, and have it commented upon without it becoming this assault on character, is fucked up

I’d have put things a lot more effectively if not for my continued naivety and thanks for the reminder, which should have been unnecessary

mh, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 05:07 (five years ago) link

Ugh I’m not railing at anyone in particular and I think I’m being perhaps a little nasty and I apologize if so

I’m just exhausted beyond exhausted

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 05:14 (five years ago) link

You people who write about pop acts really have it rough! You should switch to writing about jazz, where no one gives a fuck what you say (because no one's reading it; the magazines are all subsidized by ads from music schools and instrument manufacturers).

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 10:32 (five years ago) link

(i think you might be confusing me with someone else fgti? but i definitely had to face entitled portugal. the man fans. over thanksgiving. that sucked.)

maura, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 13:08 (five years ago) link

That sounds awful! And no I’m thinking about the magazine, and a frustrating moment when boarders were like “I paid for a subscription, where’s my product” to a point where I wanted to email everyone a benzo but my memory might have been paraphrasing in my annoyed state last night

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 13:14 (five years ago) link

I read yr jazz columns religiously & much of my listening traces to stuff i learn there, fwiw, unperson -- I can't keep up myself & am grateful for that work

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 14:19 (five years ago) link

Oh, I know I have readers, but the idea that I might get waves of frothing, rage-filled email because I dared to criticize Kurt Rosenwinkel, for example, is totally alien to me. There's one dude, a bassist, who I know hates my writing, but we have each other blocked on Facebook so I never really have to worry about him. (I once reviewed an album he played on and discussed every other member of the group but totally ignored his contributions, and he actually expressed gratitude; that's how much he hates me.)

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 14:29 (five years ago) link

And thanks for reading, btw! You and I disagree on a lot of stuff, but we agree on a lot, too, and you've definitely turned me on to some things in the past, like that Italian power metal band whose name escapes me at the moment - something about Frost or Winter.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 14:31 (five years ago) link

I think every writer can get haters. I've had the drunk director posting a tirade on facebook about how I'm a psycho rapist, and the leader of the association of Danish cinemas sending me twitter messages late at night saying I should be put in a mental institution. Oh yeah, and a photographer talking about gathering a group of strong guys and getting me into a truck and making me see things a different way. I think the key is to write about feminism.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 14:47 (five years ago) link

Was it this truck?

https://nw3tonyc.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/hunk.jpg

Evan, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 15:50 (five years ago) link

oh yeah! everyone was really nice about it tbh. it just became unsustainable (probably because i didn't have anyone funding it). life!

maura, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 15:52 (five years ago) link

Ah so <3 it was such a good magazine!!

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 15:55 (five years ago) link

thank you!! i miss it!!

maura, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 16:20 (five years ago) link

it was indeed v unsustainable

i tried to make an archival website for maura mag two years ago but the web designer ghosted me about halfway through the process. if anyone here wants to help i have a very difficult to parse xml file and some money to offer

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 16:25 (five years ago) link

portugal. the man fans. over thanksgiving.

love this punctuation and deeply miss maura mag

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 16:46 (five years ago) link

portugal, the man vs maura, the mag

Simon H., Wednesday, 24 April 2019 16:51 (five years ago) link

I think every writer can get haters. I've had the drunk director posting a tirade on facebook about how I'm a psycho rapist, and the leader of the association of Danish cinemas sending me twitter messages late at night saying I should be put in a mental institution. Oh yeah, and a photographer talking about gathering a group of strong guys and getting me into a truck and making me see things a different way. I think the key is to write about feminism. politics, on ILX

― Frederik B, Thursday, April 25, 2019 12:47 AM (four hours ago)

blokes you can't rust (sic), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 19:12 (five years ago) link

the big difference is that musicians, at least at the level we are talking here, are generally paid way more than writers are, or at least have more gross if not net revenue

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 19:21 (five years ago) link

for instance, with the ariana grande thing just now, I am fairly certain she can make more in one day than I have in my entire life to date, and probably my entire upcoming life

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 19:23 (five years ago) link

actually, there are two major differences, the second being counterbalances. musicians in general get far more counterbalancing positive feedback than writers do (often, they get none)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 20:33 (five years ago) link

This longish thread is worth reading.

I prefer criticism to fiction if only because I like to see the blueprints of things.

— in-house antiquarian (@apotrafied) April 24, 2019

...we’ve gotten to a point in mass art/ mass culture where three quarters of the things we’re being subjected to DON’T stand up on their own WITHOUT criticism.

It’s a point I keep returning to, but a number of works only become compelling because they’re given the intellectual veneer of importance by critics (some of whom were actually good) who were high on Barthes and poptimism.

Criticism became an extension of PR, and there was a period where we split the difference between craft, social implications, and “how the sausage was made”. A number of acts coasted by on people putting acts into a socio-political context that they *really* did not deserve.

Acts like Ariana Grande benefitted from a kind of “girls and queer kids love this stuff & it is oppressive to criticize their tastes”, and people mistook *brands* for the fans they represented, and we forgot that a lot of mass art & entertainment only works as a way to sell people a way OUT of the alienation, however temporarily.

It became more fun to *think* about these kinds of entities than it was to experience them. And the more *types* you can attract to a product, the more likely producers, execs, etc. are to invest.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 21:31 (five years ago) link

this is a very strange thread to apply to ariana grande, whose music is generally well-crafted mariah carey pastiche and even at its worst ("7 Rings") cannot be described as "the compulsive repetition of one word over and over again" (as if that's even a bad thing by definition)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 22:03 (five years ago) link

like, this is basically just the old "pop music sucks" argument dressed up a bit ,and you can tell because the entire argument falls apart if you do not take "this music has no value" as a given

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 22:06 (five years ago) link

don't worry we've already collectively as a culture determined that music has no value

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 22:08 (five years ago) link

I’m very interested in the ways that Feeling Things About Media has in some respects supplanted media in the digital age & what this means for the people who make a living doing both but that thread is a... suboptimal exploration of the topic

You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 22:56 (five years ago) link

stick to jazz & metal, phil

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Thursday, 25 April 2019 04:29 (five years ago) link

ah, "socio-political context" again

ogmor, Thursday, 25 April 2019 07:16 (five years ago) link

Chris Brown Attacks Chvrches: “These Are the Type of People I Wish Walked In Front of a Speeding Bus”

was this really necessary

Simon H., Monday, 29 April 2019 14:02 (four years ago) link

i generally assume Chris Brown hopes everyone he knows that isn't in his immediate entourage gets hit by a bus

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 29 April 2019 14:43 (four years ago) link

I was intrigued by the specificity of the speeding bus being "full of mental patients"

dorsalstop, Monday, 29 April 2019 15:02 (four years ago) link

Woodstock 50 Is Canceled, Unless It’s Not—Here’s Why

omar little, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 20:49 (four years ago) link

I thought you were writing a joke clickhole parody title based on something on the site but turns out it does say that exactly

Evan, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 21:57 (four years ago) link

that's a good headline

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link

Woodstock 50 Is Canceled, Unless It’s Not—Here’s Why (or Why Not, and That's Okay)

fixed

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link

Pitchfork is finally covering the law of excluded middle.

jmm, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 22:15 (four years ago) link

The Libertines’ Peter Doherty Hospitalized After Being Injured by a Hedgehog

^now, that’s a good headline!

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 11:50 (four years ago) link

Quite the news cycle for hedgehogs

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 12:27 (four years ago) link

There's a pretty hilarious piece of sponcon up today:

The Glorious Past and Promising Future of the RV

SPONSOR CONTENT GO RVING

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 13:10 (four years ago) link

This has probably already been done, but why are the Isley Brothers headlining the P4K festival?

Position Position, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:09 (four years ago) link

gotta get those R. Kelly songs in there somehow

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:16 (four years ago) link

lol

the thing about pfork fest compared to other festivals is that it's remained pretty small and accessible (hasn't moved off it's small-ish site on the west side in years) & as such legitimately serves a local audience. you'd be surprised by the number of ppl who live in chicago and show up to pfork fest w/o knowing that there's a music review site of the same name, or with only the vaguest idea, or have heard of the site but don't ever read it. further -- and this is just a hypothesis based on having attended the festival a few times incl the year r kelly played -- is that part of the legacy of pfork booking r kelly is that it opened the festival to an audience of local black residents, esp older black ppl who, again, broadly speaking likely have no idea what pitchfork.com is all about. i think you can see this reflected in recent bookings incl isely bros, chaka kahn, raphael saddiq etc.

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:45 (four years ago) link

cuz funktimism!

maffew12, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:53 (four years ago) link


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