What was the relevance of those face trees, anyway? I know they're sacred sites for the old religion of the North, but were they also somehow related to the dryads who created the Night King, I can't remember?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 07:18 (five years ago) link
Also, I wonder if we're gonna find out this season who the heck the Lord of Light is, and why he seems to be the only god of this world who actually exists, or at least interacts with the world? Melissandre is destined to return to Westeros and die there, so I guess there's still a chance they might explain it in a satisfactory manner... But so far the whole LoL feels like the most disjointed part of the story's mythology, considering that all other forms of "magic" we've seen are related to nature spirits and/or ESP abilities such as warging.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 07:26 (five years ago) link
Though I guess Dany's incombustibility could be relates to the Lord of Light?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 07:35 (five years ago) link
It was in the actual episode - there was an aerial view of Winterfell.
― Madchen, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 07:46 (five years ago) link
Even stuff like Theon and Jara felt a waste of space at this point, and Euron will only ever be a peripheral character no matter how hard they try.
Euron will be dead in about five minutes time, I wouldn't worry. Pretty sure the only reason he's still around is that everyone else is at Winterfell and they need to give Cersei someone to interact with. TBH we've been watching Borgen lately and I totally failed to connect the guy who's really good at playing an emotionally-cripped Danish spin doctor with the guy who is absolutely terrible as Euron. Then again he's just an awful character.
Actually it's kind of amazing the margin by which Lena Headley is the best actor in the whole thing at this stage. Obviously Peter Dinklage is great and some of the second-tier characters have their moments but you could replace any of the other leads (except perhaps Maisie Williams) with other actors and lose nothing of the character. But you'd lose a lot of Cersei without Headley playing her, she's the only one who really conveys some kind of internal conflict or self-delusion that isn't right there in the text.
Literally no moment in TV history as been ever as predictable as the moment when they did the 'AWWWWW YOU GUYS' cut away to the dragons. I did enjoy the episode though but I'm just accepting it for what it is at this point.
Tuomas you may be the only viewer out of literally millions who is interested in the Lord of Light at this stage. I'm sure the whole religious aspect is handled OK in the books but it's so clunky on TV and probably the main reason why the last season or so has dispensed with it.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 08:25 (five years ago) link
Agree about Lena Headey. They've really managed to winnow it down to focus on all the worst actors in the show
― Number None, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 08:32 (five years ago) link
There's just something very Monkey Island about all those scenes where you see a load of disparate characters standing together and only a couple of them have any dramatic function in the scene.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 08:42 (five years ago) link
Literally no moment in TV history as been ever as predictable as the moment when they did the 'AWWWWW YOU GUYS' cut away to the dragons.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 08:44 (five years ago) link
pretty sure Martin intended the story to end with the Lord of Light as the dominant religious power in Westeros - in the same way the Abrahamic religions supplanted older polytheistic faiths
but I doubt they're going to address that in the show at this point, possibly not even in the books
― Number None, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 09:23 (five years ago) link
I've a feeling the Lord of Light stuff will have *some* relevance to the endgame but I've no idea what - they could have quietly dropped that theme altogether but a couple of bits from s7 (Melisandre's conversation with Varys about dying in Westeros; the Hound's vision of the arrowhead mountain in the fire) make me think there's a reason they haven't. I don't particularly want them to explain everything though.
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 09:39 (five years ago) link
given what has happened it wld be a surprise if it turns out jon snow is not azor ahai and the lord of light prophecies are irrelevant
― ogmor, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 10:07 (five years ago) link
pretty sure Martin intended the story to end with the Lord of Light as the dominant religious power in Westeros - in the same way the Abrahamic religions supplanted older polytheistic faithsbut I doubt they're going to address that in the show at this point, possibly not even in the books
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 10:14 (five years ago) link
XP’s I am assuming every ep from here on in will have a totally different opening theme sequence which, IMO, they should’ve been doing for years
Someone correct me if I am wrong but haven’t they continually changed the intro sequences when new places have been introduced, or something happens to places. e.g. I can remember Winterfell smoking when it was sacked.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 10:34 (five years ago) link
that's correct
― Number None, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 10:37 (five years ago) link
any other shadow of the colossus players get nervous about Jon's stamina running out?
― thomasintrouble, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 10:43 (five years ago) link
They also changed the banners in various places according to who ruled them, so Winterfell's banners were changed to Bolton, and then back to Stark after the Battle of the Bastards.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 10:52 (five years ago) link
Has the Azor Ahai prophecy even been mentioned in the series, or only in the books? I haven't read them, so I'm only familiar with the prophecy through some Youtube videos.
Anyway, even without the prophecies etc., it would seem pretty obvious that the god of fertility and fire, whose followers can set swords ablaze, is likely to play some role in defeating an supernatural entity associated with death and ice, whose minions can be killed with fire. Especially since said god resurrected the guy who's most likely to fight against said ice entity.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 11:05 (five years ago) link
yeah I think the only allusion to the prophecy in the show was in all those cave scrawlings under dragonstone but as you say, the pieces are all set up whether they make explicit reference to it or not
― ogmor, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 12:25 (five years ago) link
Big time Curb moment for Jaime Lannister pic.twitter.com/7zSxp5dV9C— Tommy Smokes (@TomScibelli) April 15, 2019
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 12:50 (five years ago) link
Someone correct me if I am wrong but haven’t they continually changed the intro sequences when new places have been introduced, or something happens to places. e.g. I can remember Winterfell smoking when it was sacked.Sure, but not as complete or complex as what they’re doing now
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 13:16 (five years ago) link
I’m pretty happy with this series as a whole and happy with where it’s going and have few complaints
Bran’s story was a tedious slog and now he’s fascinating
Some of Samwell’s scenes (esp with Gilly) were some of the worst TV I’ve seen but now he’s also fascinating and I found his scene with Dany very moving
But if they do not do something effective with Melisandre to justify her vulturous and useless presence for season after season, as well as the Lord Of Light, I’m going to be disappointed enough to write a user review somewhere
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 13:23 (five years ago) link
I want a spinoff with Bran and Bronn as the leads in an offbeat odd couple scenario
― mh, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 13:47 (five years ago) link
I love Carice van Houten but I agree w/ fgti, Melisandre has been largely a waste so far
― Simon H., Tuesday, 16 April 2019 13:48 (five years ago) link
one of those cases where the writers forgot that "nudity" is not a character personality trait or plot point
I hope that they rectify the gender imbalance when it comes to nudity and give us a fully nude zombified Mountain. Or the Clegane vs Clegane battle that's inevitably coming is fully nude.
― mh, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 13:56 (five years ago) link
eh, my prediction is that the big battle with the dead will happen halfway through the season, leaving the final episodes open for half the characters to fight for the throne, and the other half to go on some mystical quest
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 14:02 (five years ago) link
if the mountain became a white walker at this point, would there even be a significant difference other than his loyalties?
I'm shipping Cersei and the Night King btw
― mh, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 14:03 (five years ago) link
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, April 16, 2019 8:23 AM (forty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
melisandre existed to bring jon snow back from the dead
― voodoo chili, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 14:04 (five years ago) link
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i kinda think so too--maybe around episode 4, they'll be vanquished somehow.
― voodoo chili, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 14:06 (five years ago) link
ughhhh I feel like they just killed Jon Snow to give Melisandre something to do
I just re-read a Melisandre synopsis and I had completely blanked on all her post-exile activities. Glad she's gone back to Volantis and I hope if she re-appears it's for only a very good reason
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 14:38 (five years ago) link
like after everything she's done, how is she not dead? easily as monstrous an individual as Cersei
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 14:39 (five years ago) link
The best aspects of Melisandre were her entire influence on the Stannis storyline, which gave it a twistedness I enjoyed, and also her somewhat shockingly reasonable take on the white walker threat. So many characters had been calling it bullshit and she immediately said “hold on this is bad we better get up there.”
― omar little, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 14:59 (five years ago) link
think a reasonable - though perhaps obvious - endgame here would be for Cersei to join up with the night king ("the living have done nothing but torment me I SIDE WITH THE DEAD" *gets zombified, makes out with the mountain*) and then melisandre comes back for a one-on-one battle of light vs darkthen the dragons make out
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:10 (five years ago) link
Cersei to join up with the night king ("the living have done nothing but torment me I SIDE WITH THE DEAD"
this would rule
― Simon H., Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:14 (five years ago) link
Also there was something annoyingly flat and anticlimactic about the scene when Arya and the Hound came face-to-face again. Way to go ruining your best double-act there.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:24 (five years ago) link
love any monkey island reference ever but not getting this one - what do you mean?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:29 (five years ago) link
http://images.gog.com/8cfae96b35a9b5c0d4435c7f83eeb557e50b6f614e7a7424d2ed6bc9840ce050_product_card_v2_mobile_slider_639.jpg*Talk to THE HOUND*
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:32 (five years ago) link
pop connection I had not expected
Need a cure for your #GameofThrones katzenjammer? How bout a look back at when Brienne of Tarth aka Gwendoline Christie donned rabbit ears for @goldfrapp's Strict Machine single release? pic.twitter.com/xCjzw1wOEU— MuteUSA (@MuteUSA) April 15, 2019
― mh, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 16:12 (five years ago) link
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― mick signals, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 16:28 (five years ago) link
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― mick signals, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 16:29 (five years ago) link
Hilariously bad dialogue.
― Audrey Tautoulogy (Leee), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:02 (five years ago) link
I think they're allowed one 'the gang's all back together' episode without major developments, and it was a very enjoyable example of that genre. They better hit the ground running next ep though.
Hopfully the final major conflict of the series will be Dany vs Jon, as seeded in this episode - much more scope for genuine drama than everyone against the zombies.
― chap, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:08 (five years ago) link
you could replace any of the other leads (except perhaps Maisie Williams) with other actors and lose nothing of the character.
Costa-Waldau is good imo.
― chap, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:10 (five years ago) link
i don't hear enough praise for liam cunningham as davos. i tell people he's my favorite character and they think i'm crazy
― voodoo chili, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:16 (five years ago) link
Can't really imagine anyone else as The Hound. And don't want to.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:18 (five years ago) link
Heady is tops (as was the actor who played Robert Baratheon in the first season) and most of the character actors are pretty great. But they whiffed big time on almost all the younger cast—aside from maybe Samwell.
― ryan, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:20 (five years ago) link
whatever the intent w/Daenerys is at this point in the story, Emilia Clarke was playing her up as more arrogant and cold, and the dialogue demanding loyalty and recognition as queen seems to at the very least be laying the groundwork for a shift into crazy Targaryen territory. I do think some of the awkwardness between her and Jon in the romantic scenes was fairly intentional, though if anyone found the scenes awful nonetheless i'm not going to make an argument in their favor beyond this.
and the previews of next week's confrontation w/Jaime suggest we'll again be reminded of the apparently quite good reasons why he killed the Mad King...
― omar little, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:22 (five years ago) link
come on man Rickon was outstanding, huge hole in the show now that he's peaced out
― omar little, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:23 (five years ago) link
huge hole in his chest too
― voodoo chili, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:25 (five years ago) link
Cunningham, Headey, Coster-Waldau, Christie, McCann are all great imo. Iain Glen has his moments, he's a likable presence. I like the dudes who play Beric and Gendry a lot. Maisie Williams has had to carry a lot of the narrative load and i think she's done a great job. Carice van houten has a ridiculous character to play but i think she's generally done well with it.
out of the RIP characters: Bean, Fairley, Dance, Dormer, Dilanne, dude who played Roose, a couple others I'm forgetting...all really excellent.
most of the ones I'm not a huge fan of I don't even mind that much, the only time i had to grit my teeth was when the sand snakes were still a thing.
― omar little, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:32 (five years ago) link
otm, don't forget diana rigg
― voodoo chili, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:48 (five years ago) link