(xp) and I suppose Cristiano Ronaldo being good is 'good for football' but I can't stand him either.
― Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:57 (five years ago) link
right, I mean I hated kobe bryant, and his fans, but I respected his game and loved rooting against him
― k3vin k., Sunday, 14 April 2019 19:59 (five years ago) link
I understand the automaton/robot argument (if I'm understanding you right), even if I don't share it--I always found him expressive/emotive on the golf course to a degree I was comfortable with. But I've felt that way about a few baseball players, so I can see that.
― clemenza, Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:00 (five years ago) link
id to go deal with family stuff and watch on delay with all contact off
basically watching schrodingers tiger
― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:11 (five years ago) link
Cool. The thing is (unless they do something horrible) I am not going to know that much about a sports person beyond the odd post-match interview. Mostly work with what I see while they are doing the thing they are known for.
Ronaldo is another good example. Goal scoring machine I want to see the back of. But there is something else about Woods...hard to pin down. xp
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:14 (five years ago) link
hes rich
― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:15 (five years ago) link
what i enjoyed, all the ryder cup bros hugging it out and then poulter.. actually looking away while offering this limp fuck off hand, pure keano
― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:18 (five years ago) link
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that ain't it chief
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:33 (five years ago) link
you say that but who dyou like thats rich like
― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:38 (five years ago) link
lj
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:40 (five years ago) link
second best beautiful redemption tale of the evening
― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:43 (five years ago) link
thing about Tiger is, and same applies to Cron or Kobe or take your pick of a sport, the beauty of his ability crosses out any kind of bullshit idiot moral argument about deserving to win. the whole fucking point of sport is skill = ethics
blah blah shit is complicated but if you hate Tiger go fucking shoot yourself in the face is how i break it down to some extent
― The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:43 (five years ago) link
xyzzzz__: Would your dislike be tied into what tangenttangent was saying, the insanely disproportionate attention paid to Tiger for a decade, like no other golfer (with the possible exception of Mickelson, and occasional flashes like Garcia) existed? It was indeed wearing, but from a business standpoint--what he did for television in terms of ratings and sponsorship--I can understand that. I don't know how the early start time will figure in, but I bet the ratings for today will be off-the-chart.
― clemenza, Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:50 (five years ago) link
Gonna shoot half of my face down.
To NV and xp clemenza: I don't see a lot of beauty there. A lot of the time he is hacking away at a golf course. Might have helped if he had a near equal (like Federer had Nadal). Today was unlike any of his wins in that there was a duel there, so I saw something else.
The media focus was bad but you can comprehend that as he was so dominant.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 20:58 (five years ago) link
I'll take my pick of Stephen Hendry then. All of this time I should have been cheering him on.
― Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:04 (five years ago) link
surely the Federer of golf is yrself/the media/the outside???
i know it's more complicated than this and i'm too battered to work it thru right now but i sincerely thought he was done as recently as two years ago and didn't deserve to be done and uggh, narratives, and i wanted Molinari to do it, but that was a sweet resurrection
― The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:07 (five years ago) link
i feel the same about Hendry as well Tom! it's easy to do the "genius is boring" story but fuck it, sometimes being the best is a fact of life
― The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:09 (five years ago) link
Ok that's too far, nv
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:09 (five years ago) link
:D :D
― The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:10 (five years ago) link
i think i'm still carrying the guilt of hating Steve Davis before he turned out to be a jazz funk maven tbh jim
― The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:12 (five years ago) link
Might have helped if he had a near equal
Skill-wise, I think he probably did. But the most fascinating thing to me during that decade was how deeply he had gotten into the heads of everyone else, Mickelsen especially. Today felt a little like that: with the exception of Johnson, everyone else seemed to fall apart as soon as they looked to be in it. That's to Tiger's credit, I think.
― clemenza, Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:16 (five years ago) link
(And I realize that happens in majors in general--but it was even more pronounced when Tiger was #1.)
― clemenza, Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:18 (five years ago) link
btw Faldo was infinitely more cuntish than any sports peep i csn think of
― The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:20 (five years ago) link
Not sure I think Molinari was digging himself out throughout the round until he finally couldn't on the 12th -- and he played the shot before Tiger. it's true Tiger got into ppl's heads but so did Fed, but Nadal met that challenge.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:22 (five years ago) link
Things like this--released minutes after-the-fact--don't help, I'll agree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx9fadoL9oU
― clemenza, Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:25 (five years ago) link
it's unfortunate that Woods is the only top flight golfer ruthlessly manipulated by corporate sponsors, yeah
― The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:27 (five years ago) link
I started watching golf when Faldo beat Norman at the masters but that was sorta it for him, then the Tiger era started.
The comparison with the Hendry years is spot on really but that only lasted about five years before Ronnie broke through and Ken Doherty beat Hendry at the world's in '97. And then you had Higgins and Williams too so Hendry had competition and there were some classic finals!
Tiger just felt longer and he was on his own it seemed. Genius but what's in it for me man?!
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:29 (five years ago) link
I'll give Nike credit for sticking with him at a time when scandal gets you shown the door immediately, even if I know it probably had little to do with loyalty and was just a financial risk/reward calculation that seems to have worked out.
― clemenza, Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:31 (five years ago) link
I honestly felt a bit emotional watching him win. So he isn't a good person or a role model. Are we all really so perfect or charismatic or well-rounded?
He has had a strange life and the pressure cooker of celebrity in America doesn't exactly treat people so well, not least after a public meltdown like Tiger's.
This piece is very long but really gives context to today - his dad died, he lost his shit badly, he was injured and his body was in ruins, he fucked up his own life and made lots of stupid decisions. Somehow, and I'd say even just the physical side of it alone is remarkable, he has managed to claw his way back.
The ambiguity of his character makes it all the more interesting.
http://www.espn.co.uk/espn/feature/story/_/id/15278522/how-tiger-woods-life-unraveled-years-father-earl-woods-death
― FernandoHierro, Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:32 (five years ago) link
i've definitely enjoyed the post-Tiger gold world in the same way that i enjoyed the post-Hendry snooker world (and Ronnie, who is above and beyond either, has his own story exactly because he's better than machine precision) but given all the weirdness of race/class/cheering for alt option/you know what i mean, fairy stories
all that, anyway, the Tiger resurrection is a great story also all things considered i think he's the best player of his game of all time and this is a welcome next chapter
― The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:40 (five years ago) link
gold = golf lol
― The Gapes of Wrath (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 14 April 2019 21:41 (five years ago) link
This is amazing. I'd have bet anything, 2-3 years ago, that this would never happen.
― rip van wanko, Sunday, 14 April 2019 23:36 (five years ago) link
Such a great tourney. Felt like old all the chumps folding around the goat.
― but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Sunday, 14 April 2019 23:44 (five years ago) link
So much else to talk about today, I don't think I heard what used to be an ongoing story mentioned even once (maybe I missed it): this was the first time Tiger came from behind to win a major. Three times he was tied going into Sunday, every other time he teed off with the lead (anywhere from 1 to 10 strokes).
― clemenza, Monday, 15 April 2019 02:41 (five years ago) link
Yah they talked about it quite a bit on the broadcast here
― but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Monday, 15 April 2019 02:54 (five years ago) link
Bethpage Black a monstrous golf course. Spieth going for the career grand slam but, like Mickelson, I doubt he can drive it straight enough to win round this course. Guess Koepka is the favourite going in. The Nike cap he's wearing right now is so ugly tho.
― oscar bravo, Thursday, 16 May 2019 12:50 (four years ago) link
Brooks playing with Tiger and Molinari first two rounds. Tiger doubled the first . Conditions look perfect but this course is just brutal and that's with an easier PGA set up compared to how they set it up for the US Open
― oscar bravo, Thursday, 16 May 2019 12:54 (four years ago) link
Had no idea Spieth is now #39 in world rankings!!
― oscar bravo, Thursday, 16 May 2019 13:08 (four years ago) link
brooks strolls round in 63 like it ain't no big deal. frightening.tiger 2 over.nice to see tommy fleetwood at -3.conditions look perfect.
― oscar bravo, Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link
holy cow @ Brooks, that is an insane round on this course
kinda sucks that all eyes will be on Tiger
― frogbs, Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link
jeez brooks. just tuning in.
― but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:47 (four years ago) link
Hugely impressive front nine from Jordan. Think he hit every green. Didn't think he had it in him.
― oscar bravo, Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:04 (four years ago) link
I must have ducked out somewhere--I thought the PGA was always the last major on the calendar.
― clemenza, Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
i'm predicting Kevin Nealon takes over the Dorf on Golf franchise
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
XPThey've rejigged the schedule so that the US tour ending FedEx playoffs finish in August before the start of the NFL season and so that the PGA doesn't clash with Olympic golf every four years so from now on it'sApril - mastersMay - PGAJune - US OpenJuly - Open
― oscar bravo, Thursday, 16 May 2019 20:51 (four years ago) link
Lol Rory starts his day double, bogey, double, birdie, par, bogey +5 for the day thru six holes and +7 for the tourney.
DJ 4 birdies in 6 holes , -4 in second place behind Brooks who plays in the afternoon wave.Danny Lee was in second but has dropped five shots thru 11 holes.
― oscar bravo, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:57 (four years ago) link
I really want to like Patrick Cantlay cos his back story is so compelling but man is he irritating to watch, so slow.
― oscar bravo, Friday, 17 May 2019 13:59 (four years ago) link
Another birdie for DJ. Brooks and DJ duel would be fun, the loser being the one who makes an expression first.
― oscar bravo, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:03 (four years ago) link
Lol no majors between August and March is fucked up man
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 17 May 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link
Beemer! birdies 5 of the last 6 to probably make the cut. amazing around that course.
another good round from spieth. maybe he's back?
― oscar bravo, Friday, 17 May 2019 17:16 (four years ago) link