What happened to LUSH?

Phil has got a lot of criticism for bailing out of the Lush reunion quickly. But isn’t it that case that being in a touring band can actually lose a person money if, as is likely, success doesn’t come? Maybe Phil realized that financially he would take a loss from the attempt to revive Lush, and he would be better off working harder at some other job for his family’s sake.

Nah he already had a job (and still has it afaik), and legged it with only a few dates to go, including 2 big shows, right at the end of the proceedings. There were 'reasons' of course, vaguely alluded to on Instagram. None of my business like but as a huge fan since the very beginning who'd bought literally every thing they'd ever released and seen every tour bar none, it seemed a poor show on his part.

the whole thing was pretty weird.

In that C86 interview, it's mentioned that Phil said that he signed up for one year only and that he was out at the end of it. Miki also mentions that they had a very lucrative Coachella offer but that they had to drop out because of visa issues.

So:

https://thecreativeindependent.com/people/on-the-peaks-and-pitfalls-of-being-a-songwriter-in-a-band/

Interesting interview with Miki, provides.. some answers to some of the questions above. That stuff about the visa must have been an absolute kick in the knackers.

https://thecreativeindependent.com/people/on-the-peaks-and-pitfalls-of-being-a-songwriter-in-a-band/

oops!

.. but yeah good to hear some backstory.

It's like going on a "family holiday" with your parents and siblings only, long after you've left home and have your own fam.

It's nice (sometimes), but it also reminds you why you don't live together anymore.

"Out Of Control" reminds me of Ween oddly, really good song.

I only managed two songs into the Piroshka, I think I was expecting something a little less... conventionally rock, I guess?

I saw Piroshka tonight. They were pretty good, I've heard the album, haven't really connected with it yet but I like it. They finished with a cover of It's Obvious by the Au Pairs which was good. One song I kept thinking was Planet Earth by Duran Duran but it was just the bassline tbh

Digging the Piroshka album - the cover art, appropriately, is very 4AD.

Lush - A Far From Home Movie, by Philip King

https://www.soniccathedral.co.uk/2020/09/07/lushmovie/

cool!!!!!

Thanks for sharing Kibbutzki - have been listening to Lush quite a bit recently (Split in particular) so that was nice to watch.

Seems like Piroshka will announce new music (or something) tomorrow:

Will be bringing grannies and wolves everywhere a basket of news tomorrow... https://t.co/mqwHEl16fb

— Miki Berenyi (@berenyi_miki) April 26, 2021

And here's here's the first taste: https://piroshka.bandcamp.com/album/love-drips-gathers

Quite looking forward to this, the debut is a real grower!

I don't love the new single (Miki's vocals, mainly) but I like the production so I am looking forward to the new the album. I rarely want to hear more guitar on anything, but when Moose is involved they're always welcome.

Miki's book, out in September

https://www.resident-music.com/productdetails&product_id=89610

nice cover..

https://drsw10gc90t0z.cloudfront.net/AcuCustom/Sitename/DAM/402/thumbnail_Miki_Cover_Final_190422.jpg

Could be good.

Preordered, thx for tip!

Just got this

It sounds very frank and unglamorous from the press pieces I’ve been reading. Apparently Emma was really unhappy with it. Pretty courageous to talk about the insider shit of the business, it’s both gross and all-too-familiar.

where did you hear Emma was unhappy with it? They don't get on at all anyway, do they?

I was going to say, the reunion ended poorly by all accounts.

We can like them both, can't we? I'd hate to think there was a baddie in that relationship.

Never mind meeting your heroes, don't check who they follow on Twitter

The Times piece mentioned Emma's reaction - I can't access it any more: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/miki-berenyi-i-can-tell-the-truth-because-im-outside-it-all-now-gcpgfzvxc

https://wearecult.rocks/miki-berenyi-interview

there's other interviews where she mentions that emma's unhappy with the book & that they fell out after the reunion.

"Never mind meeting your heroes, don't check who they follow on Twitter" oh yeah she follows like every awful terf feminist in the UK I noticed one day. she never comments on or likes that stuff though.

damn, unfortunately all too common with uk musicians

uk celebs of any sort really

is this out? If only there had been any press around it being released I might have seen it eh?!

I mean I know I'm being very glib around this but there's something that rubs me the wrong way about this being positioned as, like, an outsider misfit narrative of the music industry, then me reading about it in every major UK publication for the past fortnight.

Wait, which one's the terf?

berenyi

well, that's a bummer. Jesus.

isn't it a bit of a stretch to assume that someone shares all the opinions of people they follow on Twitter?

No, that's a good point. My method of using twitter doesn't involve hate-following anyone, but some people do.

that's a lot of hate-following

comfortable making the stretch tbh

same. I can imagine she’s not liking or retweeting any of it because of the book launch.

Hmmm. I'm not terribly familiar with the UK terf pile, but I scrolled through the people she's following. Picked out those who had some form of feminist in bio (as well as a few others who leaped out as being "controversial") and then googled them to assess terfiness. In cases where these people were definitely terfs, for the most part, Miki was their only follower that I shared (although sometimes joined by Norman Blake from Teenage Fanclub!). And I do follow a number of UK-based accounts, so you'd think there would be a greater overlap if it was just based on hate-reading or just a passing interest.

i suppose someone could just ask her on twitter if you feel like doing that. I do not.

Norman Blake also follows loads of terfs yes

Fannies drummer has ratcheted down from terfy tweeting to just terfy follows iirc

I’ve followed her for about 2 years and not seen anything related to gender at all, and she quite often posts after a couple of drinks when you’d expect the filters are down (and appear to be). If she holds those views she’s at least covert about it.

There are lots of people on Twitter who followed some feminist / culture writers a decade ago, and have not kept up to date with the discourse because it must be tempting to mute or ignore the discourse, think we can all appreciate that. if you have a look at her follows, the dodgy ones are all near the bottom of the list. you can imagine a decade ago encountering someone like helen lewis as a journalist writing a book about feminist history and that's about it, HL was even on adam buxton's podcast, have not listened to it but imagine the terf stuff is left out entirely. Not everyone is up to date with this stuff.

a huge reason why a lot of these TERF writers are so well-regarded by establishment media is that they were popular/successful/seemingly decent people in the 90s. I imagine it's like the people I have on Facebook who I met once at a house party ten years ago and never got round to deleting after discovering they're rabid anti-vaxxers, then again it's all just speculation isn't it