Mueller, yousendit?
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 5 April 2019 18:40 (five years ago) link
I've read the report. It's OK. 4/5.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 April 2019 18:43 (five years ago) link
Worth noting from p. 149 of the Mueller Report:
At approximately 2:40 am on November 9, 2016, news reports stated that candidate Clinton had called President-Elect Trump to concede. At... {redacted section of about two lines, marked "Investigative Technique"}...wrote to Dmitriev**, "Putin has won."
{redacted section of about two lines, marked "Investigative Technique"}
...wrote to Dmitriev**, "Putin has won."
**Kirill Dmitriev, CEO of Russia's sovereign wealth fund and a close Putin associate, who was personally tasked by Putin with making swift high-level contact with Trump's transition team.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 23:48 (four years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house
― pomenitul, Thursday, 15 July 2021 10:14 (two years ago) link
yeesh
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 15 July 2021 11:13 (two years ago) link
sad that my first thought was "which time? 2016 or 2020?"
(2016)
― Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 15 July 2021 15:57 (two years ago) link
kremlin otm
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:17 (two years ago) link
They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscow’s strategic objectives, among them “social turmoil” in the US and a weakening of the American president’s negotiating position.
i mean it worked
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:22 (two years ago) link
The report – “No 32-04 \ vd” – is classified as secret. It says Trump is the “most promising candidate” from the Kremlin’s point of view. The word in Russian is perspektivny.There is a brief psychological assessment of Trump, who is described as an “impulsive, mentally unstable and unbalanced individual who suffers from an inferiority complex”.
There is a brief psychological assessment of Trump, who is described as an “impulsive, mentally unstable and unbalanced individual who suffers from an inferiority complex”.
how were they able to obtain this intel on trump? how did they know he was all those things way back in Jan 2016?? how could anyone have known at that time?!?!?!?
― Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:23 (two years ago) link
xp of course it worked. they're doing it right now
i wonder who russia is rooting for in the 2024 election
probably kamala harris right?
― Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:26 (two years ago) link
My guess is they'd love to see Kamala run against any one of those 8 GOPers that spent the 4th of July in Moscow. Guaranteed massively divisive figure on the Dem side against their controlled puppet on the GOP side would probably be their dream matchup to undercut democracy even more.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:30 (two years ago) link
kamala doesn't need to be divisive. there is a lot that the biden administration is doing that has mass appeal, including this new infrastructure bill. she needs to run on that and on the fact that they helped pull the country out of the covid catastrophe.
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:41 (two years ago) link
i think the child tax credit idea will win friends and influence people. they need more policies like this -- things that tangibly improve people's lives.
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:42 (two years ago) link
any democratic candidate will be massively divisive, though. whoever it is will become the tool of satan
― Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:43 (two years ago) link
believe it or not, in 2024, whoever the democratic candidate is will be seen by 40% of the country as the tool of satan
meanwhile, the republican candidate will be an impulsive, mentally unstable and unbalanced individual who suffers from an inferiority complex. but when balanced against the tool of satan, what can you do? america divided
― Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:44 (two years ago) link
I can think of a Kamala Harris policy that would massively improve people’s lives
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:45 (two years ago) link
joe biden did a good job not letting that stick to him though. trump tried to cast him as a villain, first, a radical, then as a fool, but it didn't work. he simply represented a "boring' return to normalcy for most voters. (a great feat as he is becoming more scattered in his speech). kamala should just do the same thing and she could do it even better because she really can convey competence. the less she puts herself at the center of her campaign, the better she will do. (this goes for all democratic candidates).
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:45 (two years ago) link
xp
hillary let herself become a foil to trump. biden didn't, it just didn't work.
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 16:47 (two years ago) link
the way the guardian piece drops in the italicized scary russian words is extremely funny imo
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:00 (two years ago) link
what's the russian word for signature reduction?
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:02 (two years ago) link
I feel like I shouldn't have to point this out, but in modern America a woman of color running for president is going to be extremely divisive.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:05 (two years ago) link
сокращение подписи
Aka 'sokrashcheniye podpisi'.
You're welcome. xp
― pomenitul, Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:05 (two years ago) link
people who are so racist that they wouldn't vote for a black person, or so sexist that they wouldn't vote for a woman, are voting for the republican candidate anyway. you don't need to worry about those voters. the important thing is driving turnout with a message that has broad appeal. i personally think that the key part here is not getting drawn into trump's distractions (if in fact trump is the candidate in 2024).
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:32 (two years ago) link
it's not kamala vs. trump, it's sane government that is responsive to the needs of the public vs. a lunatic authoritarian who, last time he was in charge, drove the nation into chaos.
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:33 (two years ago) link
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-russia-kremlin-vladislav-surkov-grey-cardinal-moscow-a8773661.html
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:39 (two years ago) link
sorry thought this was the other thread. anyway, that link is about the propaganda strategy of the kremlin under putin, which is based in maximizing incoherence and confusion. i think it's possible this is a fake leak designed to get "russiagate" back in the news and sow more chaos in america.
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:40 (two years ago) link
especially the fact that the "kompromat" thing is coming up again. like, enough is enough. five years of this.
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:41 (two years ago) link
Harris isn’t going to be President this decade unless Biden dies. The track record for VPs immediately becoming President in modern history is… HW Bush.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:45 (two years ago) link
i was just naming anyone, and she's next in line and will probably try for it at some point. i'm just saying, whoever it is will be satan to 40% of the country, divisiveness is baked into our country now
― Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:47 (two years ago) link
treeship, I'm not talking about winning the votes. my point was that Russia wants to sow as much division and discontent in the US as possible, given our inherently racist society I'm guessing they want Kamala to run so they can use that to continue pushing that division with the tools they've honed over the last two elections. it wasn't intended as a referendum on who will vote for whom.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:48 (two years ago) link
maybe russia wants to do that. i think we let russia live in our heads too much, rent-free. like, by their own admission, there isn't much rhyme or reason to their strategy beyond "sowing division" and "chaos."
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:52 (two years ago) link
― KEEP HONKING -- I'M BOBOING (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
jesus. i was just responding to KM's question about wondering who russia would like to see run, but go off and lecture me some more treeship.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:55 (two years ago) link
― KEEP HONKING -- I'M BOBOING (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:55 (two years ago) link
Treeship - I see and second your suspicion about this leak; however, this is interesting.. from two days ago: The REvil Ransomware Hackers Have Gone Offline
If it was Russia that forced them offline for whatever reason, maybe they already had these docs and were just waiting for the moment to drop them?
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:55 (two years ago) link
xp boring, MD
trump. i guess i'm making the assumption the republican candidate will be trump. if not him, i guess it would tucker carlson. white america loves a motherfucker
― Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:56 (two years ago) link
I don't think Pence has a chance
― rob, Thursday, 15 July 2021 17:59 (two years ago) link
xp i was confused about what you were talking about jon, apologies. i didn't know the conversation started with speculation about the kremlin.
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link
the kremlin re. 2024
people who are so racist that they wouldn't vote for a black person, or so sexist that they wouldn't vote for a woman, are voting for the republican candidate anyway.
I don't believe this for a minute. There are more than enough 2020 Biden voters who are plenty racist or sexist enough to sit out voting for Harris in 2024 and swing the results - and as he likes to point out, Trump got more votes in 2020 than any Republican in history.
― BrianB, Thursday, 15 July 2021 18:11 (two years ago) link
i don't know. that could be offset by people who are inspired to vote for a woman, though -- she could get more women turnout. it's really hard to say how it will shake out.
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 18:20 (two years ago) link
i just think she doesn't need to become a lightning rod. no more than obama was anyway. he was a target of the right but still built a strong coalition of liberals and moderates.
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 18:21 (two years ago) link
if I were in charge of fucking up US electoral politics I would do everything I could to back Harris for sure, for a lot of reasons
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 July 2021 18:33 (two years ago) link
re the guardian piece, something to keep in mind if you're unfamiliar the (very different) norms of UK journalism to keep in mind: when the article doesn't hedge, it might be wrong. when the article hedges, it's probably wrong.
This piece uses a version of the word “appear” seven times, “suggest” five times, and has one big “assessed to be.” pic.twitter.com/b7Su4NeYvK— Isaac Chotiner (@IChotiner) July 15, 2021
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 15 July 2021 18:36 (two years ago) link
that could be offset by people who are inspired to vote for a woman, though -- she could get more women turnout
I believe this, or rather want to believe this, while also hearing a voice on my other shoulder saying "yeah right, let's ask President Hillary Clinton about that."
― trial by wombat (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 15 July 2021 18:41 (two years ago) link
different situations with different baggage of course
yeah, i mean, these questions are hard to answer. but i will say that i remember 2008 and the fact that obama was a black man didn't seem to hurt him. in fact, it helped make him a transformative and inspiring figure for many voters, including me.
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 18:43 (two years ago) link