US Politics April 2019 Thread: 'I find that pretty hard to believe'

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Risk for Dems here is that the public narrative has already been formed and they look like sore losers in keeping the story going. https://t.co/W2HVGIRcWM
— Katty Kay (@KattyKayBBC) April 4, 2019

I hate this take so much. Is there really even a single voter out there thinking "man, I think Trump is alright, but if he colluded, I'm out"?? Takes like this seem to forget that Trump is also embroiled in a dozen other scandals, he was just implicated in a felony a couple weeks ago, he's acted extremely guilty the whole time and nearly everything he does turns out to be fraudulent. If he's innocent, so what. There's so much else. And vice-versa, if he's guilty, so what, just one more piece of shit for the right to swallow. Are we really acting like Trump wouldn't accept a quid-pro-quo if he was offered one, or wouldn't try to set one up himself if his brains weren't constantly trying to escape through his ears?

Secondly (as mentioned here), the Republicans literally won a presidential election thanks to years of BENGHAZI! and EMAILS! and, by the way, I don't seem to remember the fawning NYT headline "HILLARY CLINTON EXONERATED OF ALL EMAIL CRIMES". And of course this is nothing like either of those, how braindead do you have to be to just accept a 4-page summary of a 300-page report written quickly by Trump's hand-picked stooge and think, "wow, that's enough for me!!", as though Trump didn't clearly admit to obstruction of justice on live television (and then 100 more times on Twitter), as though Trump's son didn't *literally* leak an email where he tried to set up a quid pro quo but was too stupid to actually pull it off. Did the Barr thing swing the polls at *all*???

frogbs, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:27 (five years ago) link

mueller has proven that he surrounded himself with criminals. his lawyer was a criminal. his campaign manager. etc. this isn't hard

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:49 (five years ago) link

I never understood why mueller hired a campaign manager, but I was especially shocked when he proved that he was a criminal. But hey he’s probably playing the long game

Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 April 2019 22:32 (five years ago) link

i can see now that my subconscious avoidance of using trump's name has its downsides in the ol' comprehensibility department

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 April 2019 22:50 (five years ago) link

lol

Dan S, Thursday, 4 April 2019 23:23 (five years ago) link

as though Trump didn't clearly admit to obstruction of justice on live television (and then 100 more times on Twitter), as though Trump's son didn't *literally* leak an email where he tried to set up a quid pro quo but was too stupid to actually pull it off.

way too much smoke everywhere from actual, enormous gun that is smoking to locate “smoking gun”

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 5 April 2019 00:00 (five years ago) link

I heard a very core bland resistance-style discussion on kushner, so hmm i doubt uncited sourcing, but i dunno he seems v v v bad not good.

Who has done reliable work on kushner, sauds, qatar and netanyahu? because the allegations were super involved, and seemed way unlikely given what i take for trust levels in that ME space. like actual trump shit, it seems impossible to get away with.

Hunt3r, Friday, 5 April 2019 22:43 (five years ago) link

Enjoyed teh Trumpcast on Kushner taht I listened to this afternoon. Came out over the last couple of days i think.
ties in with the book Kushner inc which i'll probably now discover means it isn't worth it .
But interview sounded good at the time. & Kushner sounds like a total scumbag who should have never been allowed anywhere near the Whitehouse. & Ivanka sonds like they're a finely matched couple.

Stevolende, Friday, 5 April 2019 22:47 (five years ago) link

Kushner should fall face first into a woodchipper on national TV.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Friday, 5 April 2019 22:52 (five years ago) link

Stevende that is what i heard but when the starting props are “we BOTH worked for tina brown who taught us all about ACCESS,” i’m, uh

Hunt3r, Friday, 5 April 2019 22:56 (five years ago) link

Have the feeling I’ve seen some real bad takes on twitter from one of the Trumpcast people but I’m inclined to believe awful things about Kushner.

JoeStork, Friday, 5 April 2019 23:08 (five years ago) link

So Neal is the one the Dems are sending into the fire to bring back the evidence of tax evasion

calstars, Friday, 5 April 2019 23:17 (five years ago) link

Have the feeling I’ve seen some real bad takes on twitter from one of the Trumpcast people but I’m inclined to believe awful things about Kushner.

― JoeStork, Friday, April 5, 2019 4:08 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just beyond awful centrist ninnies. quick look at heffernan's tweets sees her call joe biden "a nice guy" a week ago but worry that he might "do something stupid and promote putin"

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 April 2019 23:22 (five years ago) link

Hefferman is a loon.

Simon H., Friday, 5 April 2019 23:23 (five years ago) link

Possibly it's just prudish centrists—formerly "Americans"—who think any of l'Affaire Russe is a disgrace.

I'm with them, but I definitely see the fun of the lefty thing; I'm just too old for a romance with Russia and a rebel inversion of American values & common sense.

— Virginia Heffernan (@page88) March 31, 2019

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 April 2019 23:23 (five years ago) link

jesus

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 6 April 2019 00:16 (five years ago) link

https://news.yahoo.com/why-im-a-creationist-141907217.html

j., Saturday, 6 April 2019 01:16 (five years ago) link

^ Reading that does not inspire my confidence in Heffernan's ability to think through complex ideas.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 6 April 2019 01:32 (five years ago) link

Wow that was a waste of bandwidth.

DJI, Saturday, 6 April 2019 02:25 (five years ago) link

whoa that is awful. my question remains as to legit summaries of kushner. the person she interviewed was ward, the author of the recent book, ahe seemed credible but ay the company you keep...

Hunt3r, Saturday, 6 April 2019 03:04 (five years ago) link

Kirstjen Nielsen quits.

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen submitted her resignation to President Donald Trump Sunday night, in an unexpected move that appears related to the president’s ongoing rage over the number of Central American families and asylum-seekers coming into the United States.

Kevin McAleenan, the head of Customs and Border Protection, will serve as acting DHS secretary. It’s not yet clear whether Trump will formally nominate a successor to Nielsen in the near future.

Nielsen, the sixth head of the Department of Homeland Security and Trump’s second appointee (she was confirmed in December 2017 after mentor John Kelly left to become White House chief of staff), has arguably been the most aggressive secretary in the department’s short history in cracking down on immigration — with her legacy likely to be defined among progressives by the “zero tolerance” prosecution policy of late spring and early summer 2018 that resulted in the separation of thousands of families at the US/Mexico border.

None of it appears to have been enough for Donald Trump.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 7 April 2019 23:23 (five years ago) link

Seems timed to coincide with T. torpedoing his own ICE head nominee to go "in a tougher direction."

Okay, Don, good luck finding the reanimated Vlad the Impaler who would be tough enough to signal manliness to your base.

Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 8 April 2019 01:06 (five years ago) link

Was reading in Washington Post that 45 said he relies on Stephen Miller for all immigration matters. Miller was reportedly unhappy with Nielsen and the Ice Director nominee.

curmudgeon, Monday, 8 April 2019 03:33 (five years ago) link

Seems like whoever it is that runs against him in 2020 needs to focus some of their campaign reaching out past Trump and putting advisors/appointees like Miller/DeVos/Bolton on blast.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 8 April 2019 03:49 (five years ago) link

looking out for the little guy

New: Trump overtime pay rule will cost workers $1.2 billion a year in wages they would have made under a more expansive Obama proposal stalled in court, @EconomicPolicy says. https://t.co/DeeQApFCot

— Chris Opfer (@ChrisOpfer) April 8, 2019

Simon H., Monday, 8 April 2019 13:45 (five years ago) link

good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 April 2019 14:09 (five years ago) link

well, yeah

Hi. The president wants to shoot people at the border. pic.twitter.com/nV6ZLjr9GA

— Cody Johnston (@drmistercody) April 7, 2019

TV presenter and animal lover, Matt Baker (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 8 April 2019 14:39 (five years ago) link

Well, not JUST at the border, tbf.

Hangover Ape (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 April 2019 14:55 (five years ago) link

BREAKING: President Trump fires director of Secret Servicehttps://t.co/EocncAVWhY

— CNBC Now (@CNBCnow) April 8, 2019

mookieproof, Monday, 8 April 2019 17:42 (five years ago) link

Hmm, that seems odd, esp. for a guy that never fires anyone.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 April 2019 17:48 (five years ago) link

should never have caught that Chinese lady, there’s your big mistake

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 8 April 2019 17:50 (five years ago) link

he should fire the whole secret service

pippin drives a lambo through the gates of isengard (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 8 April 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link

so basically Stephen Miller is just running the entire government by himself now, right?

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Monday, 8 April 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link

xp During a parade, from the backseat of a convertible

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 8 April 2019 17:53 (five years ago) link

xp j kush is co-running it with him

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 April 2019 17:54 (five years ago) link

buddy comedy with kush and miller but it's only funny because they die painfully.

ian, Monday, 8 April 2019 17:55 (five years ago) link

Hmm, that seems odd, esp. for a guy that never fires anyone.

Don't worry, he didn't this time either.

blokes you can't rust (sic), Monday, 8 April 2019 18:48 (five years ago) link

when guys named "Tex" get fired, it's a paradigm shift

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 April 2019 18:52 (five years ago) link

presumably this is because "tex" blamed the maralago security stuff on ... maralago

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 8 April 2019 19:04 (five years ago) link

The statement said: “The Secret Service does not determine who is invited or welcome at Mar-a-Lago; this is the responsibility of the host entity. The Mar-a-Lago club management determines which members and guests are granted access to the property. This access does not afford an individual proximity to the President or other Secret Service protectees.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 8 April 2019 19:05 (five years ago) link

lolmg

So the Secret Service stuck Zhang's thumbdrive into their computer. https://t.co/0T6LAfOtEl pic.twitter.com/RSfUgw4I4n

— Chris Wysopal (@WeldPond) April 8, 2019

mookieproof, Monday, 8 April 2019 19:33 (five years ago) link

"I wonder what would happen if..."

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 April 2019 19:35 (five years ago) link

hahahahahahaha ok sounds like he maybe deserved to be fired

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 8 April 2019 19:41 (five years ago) link

wow

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Monday, 8 April 2019 19:45 (five years ago) link

Trump gonna hire the Best Buy Geek Squad to handle all the cyber.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 April 2019 19:47 (five years ago) link

BARRON

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 8 April 2019 19:48 (five years ago) link

Forgot about Barron. Where's he at?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 April 2019 19:50 (five years ago) link

he's in training to be an adult trump

basically they have him cordoned off, and they ask him what he wants every 2 minutes and then give it to him, and if he doesn't respond with "i have been treated so unfairly" they slap him

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 April 2019 19:55 (five years ago) link

That was fast, Trump just hired new head Secret Service guy:

https://hotcorn-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2018/05/02104734/ToLiveDieLA_S819483_007-758x501.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 April 2019 19:57 (five years ago) link


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