2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

boston's very segregated y'say?

comments on huffington blog are mostly encouraging, though.

-- stevie, Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:13 PM

but yeah fwiw it's incredible (and maybe a measure of the success of the penn speech) to see liberals talking about race and admitting long-hushed maybe barely-conscious discomfort & fear

http://i27.tinypic.com/16m4ac.jpg

Drudge are also flagging up a story about Bill Clinton and his good pal Rev. Wright!

Has someone called the karma police on behalf of Obama?

WaPo has the passport story ... it was supposed to break tomorrow morning, but I guess we'll see it soon.

Or, maybe not, from Drudge:

MORE... WASHINGTON TIMES SET TO SPLASH THE DEVELOPMENT, NEWSROOM SOURCES TELL DRUDGE REPORT... MORE..

i just turned on Larry King and Obama is on via satellite but i think theyve already moved on to other topics

[Ohio:] For Obama, it’s a 17-point swing against him since the last SurveyUSA poll taken just three weeks ago, going up from up ten on McCain to down seven. Clinton has slipped four points over the same period but still leads McCain by six.

If the polling continues to slide for Obama in Ohio and Missouri, and if McCain continues to do well in Michigan and Pennsylvania, the Democrats simply cannot afford to nominate Obama. That, in fact, is the express mission of the superdelegates — to avoid a general-election disaster like George McGovern, and not to simply rubber-stamp the popular vote or the pledged-delegate leader.

^^^ hotair.com

http://images.politico.com/global/clintonwright2.jpg

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Jeremiah_Wright_was_White_House_guest.html

I am an Obama supporter, but am now taking another look at Hillary Clinton. I am turned off by the way Obama has handled the Wright situation so far. I felt offended by the way he seemed to stereotype whites as racist in his comment about how his grandmother is a "typical white". I felt inspired by his words and campaign of hope, but his essential acceptance of Wrights words in church casts doubt onto his judgment. I am now concerned if my judgment that Obama was the stronger candidate against McCain was correct. I hope the media continues to pursue this story, because I for one still have concerns about the inconsistencies in Obama's story and the impact of this controversy on his electability in the general election.

Posted By: thornton | March 20, 2008 at 07:47 PM

the next set of polls will be more favorable to Obama. getting 2M people to watch a 40 minute vid on youtube is a good start. of course a better way to convince whitey he's not the devil is to keep calling talk radio stations and discussing how his brackets are going.

discussing

All of those polls are meaningless. I said so when Senator Clinton was up, I said so when Senator Obama was up and now I’m saying it now that Senator McCain is up. Direction surveys do not begin to harden till mid-August at the earliest.

actually theyre only meaningful when obama is up

dumb question, but what sorts of things did wright say that were so amazingly offensive? the stuff i heard on the radio was, frankly, a bit paranoid around the edges (the feds selling crack to the inner city, etc.) but not particular offensive.

particularLY

"god damn america"

so were people actually OFFENDED at that or just "offended"?

eh who knows?

I think typical white people enjoy being offended about things.

is it just me or is the clinton campaign's behavior in this campaign growing more disingenuous, dishonest, and craven by the day? and it seems to be working. i'm really depressed.

(sorry for not being too sophisticated about this, but i'm so busy with work that i can only stick me head out and read a bit of news on occasion.)

i say this as someone who was by no means a clinton-hater in the past.

thats pretty much the consensus of this thread

I think for every person genuinely offended by "God Damn America" there are five more people who are just sort of startled by it and not really offended but are worried that if they don't act offended their co-workers will think they're not patriotic enough.

the scary thing about the wright flap is that in the wake of 9-11, bizarro nationalism created a climate of fear and self-censorship lest anyone be branded unpatriotic. six years of royal executive fuck-ups later it's acceptable (if not encouraged) in most quarters to mock the head of state, ruling class etc. but god forbid you implicate the country itself (in practical terms the voters who elected these buffoons but in bizarro nationalistic terms George Washington, Gen. Patton, Elvis, det. john mcclane etc.) the fear mongers immediately return to center stage with their brand and everyone cowers, even piling on the guilty party so their own patriotism won't be questioned.

I thought after Iraq and a laundry list of other blemishes we could handle an open/honest discussion about America's place in the world and God's heart, but apparently the architects of this rah-rah culture worked some impressive voodoo shit on us back then that will continue to rear its ugly head from time to time.

or what hurting said.

i generally believe the feds did sell crack to the inner city kids

the scary thing about the wright flap is that in the wake of 9-11, bizarro nationalism created a climate of fear and self-censorship lest anyone be branded unpatriotic.

I think America was pretty much always like this.

yep xp

oh yeah like most countries, but it became particularly toxic and powerful afterwards.

i generally believe the feds did sell crack to the inner city kids

I thought this was related one of the things that John Kerry dug up around '85 or so, with the Iran-Contra funding and drug-running to the U.S. etc.

huckabee amazingly honest, clear-headed and forgiving: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/huckabee-defend.html

maybe he can replace McCain as the batshit conservative it's ok for liberals to like.

That's fine with me if he brings some inclusiveness and optimism and forgiveness and tolerance to the table.

He also wants to bring guns and creationism, so I'm not totally onboard.

we have posted the huckabee thing like five times already

i generally believe the feds did sell crack to the inner city kids

what GS level was that job?

(sorry about the repost, missed some hidden messages)

like I've said before, the news cycle on this thread is about an hour

I think typical white people enjoy being offended about things.

you can take my capacity for hypocritical phony outrage when you pry it from my cold dead frontal cortex.

stuff white people like

i didn't get a ticket for tomorrow's rally, but i did get to see the obama caravan roll into downtown tonight. 5-0 was everywhere, about 3 dozen motorbike cops. I was on my bike and stopped as they roared by me. I was the only guy on the street at the time, and I waved. I think I saw him on his phone.

in other news, we've hit 8K messages on this thread, time for a new one?

Yes, a new one.

yep

2008 Primaries Thread 3: Oh God It's Still Happening

Symmetry required gabbneb to end this.

symmetry got raped and thrown off a hotel balcony.