US Politics April 2019 Thread: 'I find that pretty hard to believe'

uhhh when has life been normal -- January 1993?

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Interestingly there's been little to no bump in Trump's polls since the Barr summary was released.

Probably cos the cake is baked for most voters in that regard

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-end-of-the-mueller-probe-hasnt-been-a-game-changer-for-trump/

It may not get worse for him when the report starts appearing but it seems unlikely to get better

it would appear the boat has sprung a leak https://t.co/b5GfG2ZwDd

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) April 3, 2019

"You continue to mistake me for someone who gives much of a shit about politics!”

— Nate Silver to the Cabalist, March 21, 2013 https://t.co/eonRMVmbUc

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) April 3, 2019

O sicc burn

I remember going to the Verizon Center for a Rangers-Caps playoff game a few years ago and very demonstrably cheering for the Rangers and nobody even give me side-eye about it, was kind of pathetic.

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) April 3, 2019

good evening

So there's a conspiracy theory that there's no conspiracy to supress the Mueller report. So why not let the people it was written to see have a look at the thing.
It's about halved in length from what was first related about actual length hasn't it. Nagler was told less than 1000 pages on his first enquiry. Now heating 400.

Now hearing.
Surprised one would round 400 up to 1000 if one was trying to diminish the report's importance.

🚨: I’ve obtained new footage of Mitch McConnell standing up for America. pic.twitter.com/PZTGBGOrjt

— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) April 3, 2019

lmao, amazing

Break America's Gait, Again

I can understand having some redactions to the Mueller report. Signals intelligence provided some evidence, which provides adversaries clues to NSA capabilities.

But I see no reason for Justice to do the redactions. Have the NSA do a standard FOIA blackmark job.

good morning!

The house judiciary committee should get an unredscted one at least. They have security clearances.

is it just me or did the Republicans go from unanimous support for releasing the whole report to being dead set against it in the span of like, a week

I read a theory that mueller makes a case for obstruction addressed to Congress in the report. Barr misrepresented it by saying mueller left the determination to *him*. Obviously, in a literal sense it was up to the AG whether to prosecute, but mueller would not have recommended indicting a sittig president anyway. He laid out both sides of the case for congress to make a determination about impeachment.

Then why wouldn't Mueller correct the Barr driven narrative?

The entire Mueller team, if not Mueller himself, is now free to say whatever they want to whoever they want on the record, right? Classified stuff excepted?

Didn’t some people from the special counsel’s office just talk to the new york times saying the barr report was misleading?

Barr mentions there is a part of the report that lays out both sides of the case to prosecute obstruction. He just says that part was for him rather than congress to review. Which doesn’t really make sense. Impeachment is a congressional process and that is how “high crimes and misdemeanors” of presidents are adjudicated.

Even in the barr report it says there is a case against trump thats presented—and that theoretically could be prosecuted—just that mueller isn’t recommending it. Seems weird

Mueller's silence speaks volumes but liberals really really don't wanna hear it, man some of y'all are really grasping at straws here

as Alfred has repeatedly noted, the remedy is political not legal

Which is why Congress will get it/see it.

Unless Barr decides to redact everything that could impugn a oerson who isn’t going to be prosecuted....

Even in the barr report it says there is a case against trump thats presented—and that theoretically could be prosecuted—just that mueller isn’t recommending it. Seems weird

― Trϵϵship, Thursday, April 4, 2019 10:49 AM

There is no Barr Report! It's a letter.

The mueller team said they have created summaries that redact all national security things—but barr wasn’t satisifed with just redacting that

no offense, but this is the trap into which the media fell early last week (and, to my surprise, have mostly crawled out of).

Fine. The Barr flash fiction

Better.

The question I keep asking myself is: why hasn't Mueller arrested Trump yet and locked him in the makeshift jail cell he built in his back yard? Why waste all that time learning how to use an oxyacetylene torch if you're never even going to make a caged ape of the standing president?

as Alfred has repeatedly noted, the remedy is political not legal

― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, April 4, 2019 10:51 AM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

these are not mutually exclusive, though! Exposing the administration's transgressions by legal avenues can have huge political impact.

Agreed.

at the very least it give whatever 2020 candidate a bunch of talking points to go after him with if they are so inclined

and acetylene torches for everyone

man, Democrats over 50 are colossally stupid.

Exposing the administration's transgressions by legal avenues can have huge political impact.

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII)

good point and I agree, just tired of people acting like there's some hidden smoking gun in there

I wasn’t saying that. I was saying mueller did not clear trump of obstruction of justice—by barr’s admission—but the trump people are acting like he did. So it would be good for congress at least to see what it actually says.

Also robert mueller is in one of my facebook group chats Iand he told me his report includes footage of trump drowning kittens.

ok lol

finally the real smoking gun

GOP: "We prefer puppies."

I was saying mueller did not clear trump of obstruction of justice—by barr’s admission—but the trump people are acting like he did.

don't forget every major news network and paper

You gotta boil it down to quick soundbites to Drive Engagement

Risk for Dems here is that the public narrative has already been formed and they look like sore losers in keeping the story going. https://t.co/W2HVGIRcWM

— Katty Kay (@KattyKayBBC) April 4, 2019

lol but guess there's no risk for the Repubs of looking like lying bootlickers jfc

I still don't get the logic behind Mueller publicly disputing the Barr memo if it was wrong.

Dude knows he will be asked to testify and if he's going to speak up, that's when he'd do it. His team is already doing it.

They seem to be merely saying the severity of the report was downplayed w/r/t obstruction and I'm all for seeing what it really said.

Xpost it's the whole "yea but the Republicans are supposed to be bad people, but Democrats like to brag about how woke and moral they are so this is a major scandal for them!" Bullshit

Dems maybe should take a page from the GOP and stop thinking about risk at all