The Irish

The matching 1% don't knows in those graphs might be post-GFA "well I know I've been to a border county, and we did go out in the car..."

gbx should visit with jjj imo

― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Wednesday, April 3, 2019 1:16 PM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a good idea, i approve of it

why r ye redoing my classic thread here? get ye're own ideas jeez

In Ireland we have nostalgic ads

its p easy to search

fp for anyone who mentions sally o'brien here

also pretty easy to look down ILE & see that thread was posted to last night after this discussion moved there!

don't try and shift the guilt

if you can't be nostalgic for the nostalgic ads thread then I don't even know...

well for him in london and tellin all paddy what to do

lookit now buck you have a nice brexit now and you dont be mindin us over here or what we do be at gullad

whoah! The Great Irish Famine is the next ep of In Our Time in 20 mins.

a little light listening hey

In Our Time, putting the Great back into the Great Irish Famine.

the great set of tory lads in Westminster doing a cracking job of aiding the famine shocker!

Famines very much in character - it was a feature, not a bug. They’re all still obsessed with the Corn Laws to this day.

Oh cool!

No words needed pic.twitter.com/InDTeHiW1t

— James McClean (@JamesMcC_14) May 1, 2019

UK looking for a new Defence Secretary.

I've begun reading last year's Man Booker winner Milkman, still at the very beginning but it already paints a stark and complicated picture of the people of a certain time and place

was lolling at someone reporting visiting the Museum of Irish Republicanism in Conway Mill and the guide says to him : “You’re very welcome. Just to remind you, we were at war with the British State, not the British people so have a good look around.”

Enjoyed this thread about the apartheid strikers.

35 years ago this month eleven workers in Dunnes Stores, one of Ireland’s corporate giants, refused to handle goods from apartheid South Africa and went on strike. They spent 3 years on the picket, just £21 per week. But in the end they forced the government to boycott apartheid. pic.twitter.com/QkbyL9PyGv

— Ronan Burtenshaw (@ronanburtenshaw) July 29, 2019

Someone points out downthread that such action would be illegal today under anti-union legislation passed in the UK and Ireland.

They'd be sending guys round to prise up the plaque and sending it to the scrappy in the UK.

fuck, that's some righteous struggling.

at least that horrible quote at the bottom reminds us of the evil and ever present threat of Marxism.

seeing the Henry Street bit reminds me of a defunct Henry Street in Hudds where a lot of the Irish immigrants lived in squalid old-school slum overcrowded terraced houses with outdoor crappers in the early 60's which i only know of through my mum talking about them. They demolished them to build at least the 2nd or 3rd ugliest bus station in Yorkshire.

makes it more fuckin cheeky that stephen mangan lad that time

Posted for pom & others curious about pronunciation of Taoiseach. I was listening & thinking “I don’t say that <sort of dragging sound at the end of the ch I don’t know the name for> but I just listened to myself say it and I totally do. Like hearing a recording of yourself & it not sounding anything like you.
https://youtu.be/-9qK_A8dRp4

Actually listening again she’s a bit more phlegmy than me, but probably more correct ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have no idea whether at my age I could restructure my vocal tract in such a way as to get that phlemigness right but I love it.

i think to keep in mind the fact (it may of course be no fact at all but in art the construct is designed to fall away or to be concealed by the end result nest pas) that the 'ch' is well and good but it could as easily have been described as a 'gh'

the aaaauwwuuugh that calvin does the odd time might give an indication as to where the breathing is, an open gullet almost catching at the end of the emphasised nnTOIEE before the sharp 'ish' withdrawal that is rather akin to a kyokushinkai punch count

i hope that clears it up, at least as far as upper achill formal pronunciation goes. its different in newport, theyd rush it into toieeshuh which is no service to the word at all.

I mean that’s the west for ye, the language is as soft as the weather

said it before, said it manys the time and i could say it in each dialect but ill tell you which of the seven mawschairs on achill taught your granda béarla by the time we'd finished a pint

we had a very good thread on it once someone had posted a good site tracking the various accents

steve coogans cashelbar farmer still fills me with wonder

a chara

Picking up fragments of Irish whilst browsing the UK politics thread is definitely one of the highlights of this place.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:07 (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

the “ch” sound is pronounced like you’re coughing up phlegm although regional variations may apply

― gyac, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 10:08 (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

anything from the c in carrot to the h in harry, really?

think i might learn irish (i say this every time)

Is it not C as in carrot if you’re saying “her friend/the friends” (a cara/an cairde) and the phlegm sound is anything starting (or ending?) with a ch, eg Chaith mé, le chéile, and is a softer sound in the middle/end of words? I’ve really only spoken Irish during Irish oral practice, so I’m very out of it and I had a massive fear of doing it in class so fuck knows there’s plenty who know more than me.

xp I mean same, I tried it on Duolingo for a while but life got in the way

in practice youd hear even chara pronounced along the full length of the range

go out as far as louisburgh (which yknow people totally should) and youll hear people say the 'rr' in my name as an 'L' so really ypu cant legislate you just have to enjoy the gaeilge running through everything and the gearshift in peoples nasal passages when it kicks in

Reminds me, there was a guy who used to come into my work, a Mr. McCulloch, who when he pronounced his name used to really work that the -ch sound because he was probably fed up with English people getting it wrong, I felt like saying to him, "It's OK you can stop that, I'm Scottish".

son of the rooster begod

or boar possible

but down home we have more roosters than boars so id guess rooster

Out of curiosity, are Scottish Gaelic, Welsh and/or Breton even remotely intelligible to a speaker of Irish?

Scottish Gaelic is just an offshoot of Old Irish? As is Manx. Welsh/Breton/Cornish are Q-Celtic.

Catching more than a few words of Portuguese at a time strains my ears but I can still vaguely read it despite the fact that my mother tongue is the Easternmost Romance language and Portuguese is the Westernmost. Hence my curiosity.

Welsh and Irish don't look or sound remotely similar to me.

yeah, scottish gaelic, irish gaelic and manx are similar - though not mutually intelligible and orthographically very different (especially manx).

i did a wee scottish gaelic class last year but haven't kept it up so i've forgotten everything, need to get back intae it

I will tell you as an English speaker the thing that really annoys me living over here is how often I have to spell my surname - and it’s not, like, Ní Bheoláin or anything, it’s very easy to read and say. My sister and I have a theory it’s the combination of the way the consonant and vowel sounds come together - perhaps “softer” sounding than people here are used to. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I am definitely recording “a cara, a chara, ha cairde” when I get home.

Interesting:

https://www.omniglot.com/language/celtic/connections/index.php

I can recognise maybe 70% of Scottish Gaelic words if I read them but the sounds are very different to me (like spits Ulster Irish).

Idk about Breton but interestingly (or not) enough Irish has some words of french origin because of the Normans.

I had to google Louisburgh. Deems, do you know Blacksod bay?

Interesting that this conversation about mutual intelligibility shoukd come up because I'm working with a woman from Norway and a woman from Sweden right now and they talk away to each other - one speaking in Swedish and one speaking in Norwegian.

Breton is just Cornish with a French accent, they say.