what are barack obama's flaws?

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Yeah, the only thing McConnell managed when he had the votes was a tax cut and Supreme Court justices. Everyone could have done that.

Frederik B, Monday, 1 April 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link

you are out of your mind. First of all, he got them an extra Supreme Court seat by refusing to hear Garland. Second, the tax plan is a masterstroke -- it crushes the donor base in high tax blue states.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 1 April 2019 18:22 (five years ago) link

and does so in a way that also punishes democratic voters and lines up with republican ideological priorities

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 1 April 2019 18:23 (five years ago) link

If you think McConnell crafted that legislation, as opposed to just sponsoring it, you do not understand how bills are written these days.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 1 April 2019 18:35 (five years ago) link

And also, it's not a masterstroke, lol, where on earth is that coming from?

Frederik B, Monday, 1 April 2019 18:44 (five years ago) link

tax cuts for the rich are actually ok
- fred

k3vin k., Monday, 1 April 2019 19:27 (five years ago) link

y'all are obsessed

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 1 April 2019 19:34 (five years ago) link

hi fred, longtime reader, first time responder. What are you talking about? The GOP tax plan was specifically designed to stick it to blue states, and let me assure you, it is doing just that.

pippin drives a lambo through the gates of isengard (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 1 April 2019 19:38 (five years ago) link

Maybe it's hard to get a good sense of that from Denmark, but it's very clear in Westchester County, NY where I work every day -- exactly the kind of high tax, good public schools, democratic leaning area that that aspect of the bill was targeted at. And btw, of course McConnell did not draft the bill, but the limit on deduction of state taxes was a key plank and he definitely made sure it stayed in.

It's also going to fuck the federal budget pretty bad when next recession comes, which is exactly what they want.

BTW, the Supreme Court isn't the only federal court, and McConnell has helped to both minimize Obama's impact and maximize Trump's as far as appointments. Those are lifetime appointments, just like the Supreme Court.

He also fucked Obamacare pretty good. I'm not saying all of this was him alone, but in general the GOP has done very well strategically considering their platform is not popular with Americans -- they have maximized what they could achieve with their backing. They've given themselves a lot of long-term advantages and backstops, whereas Obama's achievements were somewhat minimal given the mandate he came in with, and are more easily erased.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 03:38 (five years ago) link

I don't doubt that it's brought hurt to blue states, nor that it was designed that way, but I'll still dispute that it's a masterstroke that, as you wrote, crushes the donor base in high tax blue states. I don't think either of us are in a place where we can really know that, since, well, there's been no national election since it passed, but so far it doesn't seem to have 'crushed' the donor base as much as it has pissed them off. Those areas are where GOP were wiped out in the house, and it seems to me that apart from Warren, it's going quite well with the fundraising for Dem candidates? Plus, rich people donate more to GOP politicians anyway, so it could just as well hurt

I also think that unless either Obama or McConnell convinced Patrick Leahy to adhere to the blue slip standard even though it was obvious that Republicans wouldn't do so in return, that you're giving them more credit than they deserve on this issue.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:38 (five years ago) link

Former President Obama expressed concern about the progressive wing of the Democratic Party, saying he feared it could end up undercutting allies.

Speaking at a town hall event on Saturday for the Obama Foundation in Berlin, the former president spoke about the need for compromise in politics, citing the Affordable Care Act as something that he said signified progress even though it did not achieve all of his aspirations for U.S. health care.

"One of the things I do worry about sometimes among progressives in the United States —maybe it’s true here as well — is a certain kind of rigidity where we say, 'Uh, I’m sorry, this is how it’s going to be,' and then we start sometimes creating what’s called a 'circular firing squad,' where you start shooting at your allies because one of them has strayed from purity on the issues. And when that happens, typically the overall effort and movement weakens," he said.

buzza, Saturday, 6 April 2019 17:43 (five years ago) link

a certain kind of rigidity

as opposed to a certain kind of mushiness or floppiness? I think the metaphor he is overlooking here is the essential combination of rigidity with flexibility that is provided by having a backbone.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 6 April 2019 17:54 (five years ago) link

I am confused by Obama's understanding of the word "compromise." Who was Obamacare a compromise between? The GOP vowed to destroy whatever he did.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 7 April 2019 01:56 (five years ago) link

A compromise among Democrats?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 7 April 2019 02:13 (five years ago) link

bingo. they compromised before they even voted.

k3vin k., Sunday, 7 April 2019 04:25 (five years ago) link

joe mother fucking lieberman

k3vin k., Sunday, 7 April 2019 04:25 (five years ago) link

It was a compromise between the heritage foundation in the early 90s and Romney’s Massachusetts plan

Karl Malone, Sunday, 7 April 2019 04:47 (five years ago) link

In other words, a socialist takeover

Karl Malone, Sunday, 7 April 2019 04:47 (five years ago) link

im beginning to think obama didnt learn much from his presidency?

you know who deserves sitewide mod privileges? (m bison), Sunday, 7 April 2019 14:44 (five years ago) link

otm

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Sunday, 7 April 2019 15:02 (five years ago) link

ironically, Obama comes off as quite rigid in his clinging to "compromise"

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 7 April 2019 18:33 (five years ago) link

centrists are zealots and there's no data in the world capable of disturbing the truth they apprehended staring at a bell curve on acid

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 7 April 2019 18:59 (five years ago) link

Thinking of “achievement” or “legacy” in terms of legislation passed & judicial appointments confirmed is significantly limiting. It’s basically the same kind of thinking that allows Trump to believe in his own claim his administration has done the most stuff ever. But yes, if you use Mitch McConnell’s scorecard to rate how Mitch McConnell has been doing at America: The Game, he sure is a genius.

El Tomboto, Monday, 8 April 2019 12:45 (five years ago) link

purity purity purity, only used in one context ever these days

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 April 2019 13:55 (five years ago) link

i dont think that's what quagmire is saying

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Monday, 8 April 2019 14:26 (five years ago) link

Not to rub it in, but I told you about Obama, right before his election. Circular fire squad *this*. pic.twitter.com/zxH5BFcLyu

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) April 7, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 April 2019 18:10 (five years ago) link

Imagine our shock and nausea when we discovered that the first black man elected president of the USA had a calm, reassuring demeanor and moderate political views.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 8 April 2019 18:21 (five years ago) link

The best thing about the field shaping up right now is that the first woman won’t

El Tomboto, Monday, 8 April 2019 18:27 (five years ago) link

Amy seems pretty mellow.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 8 April 2019 18:28 (five years ago) link

The tactical acumen of playing the I-told-you-so at parties.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 April 2019 18:31 (five years ago) link

as you know, Gore Vidal said they were the four sweetest words in English

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 April 2019 18:33 (five years ago) link

there's certainly nothing reasuring *or* moderate about Truant Officer Harris

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 April 2019 18:34 (five years ago) link

one month passes...
three months pass...

It’s nice Barack Obama helped finance a film that shows the depravity of union-busting. But you know what would’ve been even nicer? If he had spent political capital on passing card check when he was president!

— Cole Stangler (@ColeStangler) August 26, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 18:34 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

Watch President @BarackObama make an excellent point about call-out culture. pic.twitter.com/P6mw9aLWTQ

— ATTN: (@attn) October 30, 2019

obama is canceled

k3vin k., Wednesday, 30 October 2019 14:13 (four years ago) link

uh oh i agree with secret-muslim Indonesian sex worker and communist barry soetoro

ت (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 15:58 (four years ago) link

Ok boomer.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 16:02 (four years ago) link

Sounds bad dude

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link

guys, catastrophic climate change is just a purity test so

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link

sorry to hear this guy is cancelled, hoping the comedy store will let him get up to do some sets in a year or so after people calm down

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link

Don't worry, his loyal alt-right fanbase will make up for it.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link

it's pretty amazing that obama left office for one of the most reactionary president's we've had in modern history and has decided to do nothing except hang out with richard branson and scold teens

— 🚩🌹🇵🇸 Hal Draper's Desiccated Corpse (@mike_hugs) October 30, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 October 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link

wow what an incredibly insightful tweet, i can see why you felt the need to share it here. take that, obama!

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 31 October 2019 17:07 (four years ago) link

that was via HOOS btw who is worth several thousand Obamas

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 October 2019 17:09 (four years ago) link

i can't imagine obama breaking with the tradition of past presidents not directly criticizing current presidents (especially not the one right after them). of course, trump will break with that tradition immediately, probably as soon as the morning after the election. and you could argue that now would be a good time for that tradition to go away, but...yeah, that's not Obama.

It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 31 October 2019 18:43 (four years ago) link

LOL @ "A viral 100-second video of Obama has popped up on my feeds. I assume this is all he's done since 2016."

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Thursday, 31 October 2019 19:09 (four years ago) link

yeah he also got a netflix deal and bought an expensive house, and he's writing a book that will come out next year, and he's planning his centre in the south side of chicago. he also travels and golfs and stuff. oh and you can book him to speak for $400k

ت (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 31 October 2019 19:19 (four years ago) link

Serious Tubmans

tempted by the fruit of your mother (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 31 October 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Obama believes the lesson of his presidency is that he tried for too much radical change too quickly and it caused a backlash. That is objectively wrong but it's what he believes.

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) November 16, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 November 2019 04:36 (four years ago) link

I mean, sure, on a couple of levels the results of the 2010 elections and everything that followed are "objectively wrong" I guess?

I get Pareene's point (hint: it was tribalism / racism / jade helm shit) but once again Twitter is a stupid venue to try and express anything remotely complex

El Tomboto, Saturday, 16 November 2019 04:51 (four years ago) link


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