Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

how could a referendum both prevent May's deal AND no deal AND also not have revoke/remain as an option?

I posted in the last thread last week on this, put a collection of shit deals, no deals, and Norways on the ballot along with Remain/Revoke with the proviso that if Remain does not poll above 50% then the top Brexit option wins.

That hopefully prevents a challenge that a Brexit vote split favours remain.

If the 52% vote for anything but remain they will still get a brexit of sorts.

Bye thread, we’ve had some good times & some where I think I was implied to be a tankie?

(Posting here just to confuse Ned)

― gyac, Wednesday, March 27, 2019 2:52 PM (four minutes ago)

It'll take more than that to confuse me. Now, you were saying what about the second Bee Gees album?

Then it gets niche.

Rees-Mogg (Eton) accuses Boles (Winchester) of making a Wykehamist point: "highly intelligent but fundamentally wrong."

Then he throws public school shade on Old Etonian Letwin of being more Winchester than Eton.

Can't see Letwin coming back from that.

— Theo Usherwood (@theousherwood) March 27, 2019

Today in parliament:
- Rees-Mogg accuses Boles and Letwin of not respecting the result of the referendum.
- Boles points out they voted for the Brexit deal, and Rees-Mogg didn’t.
- Rees-Mogg accuses them of not acting like Etonians.

— Henry Mance (@henrymance) March 27, 2019

xp!

The vote on the business motion has gone worse for May than previously (which makes some sense)

westminster has...*checks*...dominic grieve! booyah

also sir peter bottomley and helen whately, idk what their deal is but i'm assuming one-nation tory remain types

Here’s the commons vote link again:
https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com/ Not updated yet though

i dont see anyone there from the tecs of donegal, achill or castlebar

i presume theyve just refused to take their seats right

John Bercow, the Commons Speaker, is now talking about his ruling about “no repeat votes”, that prevented Theresa May from bringing back her meaningful vote before the EU summit.

He says there is talk of the government bringing back the vote on Thursday or Friday next week.

He says that, for this to be allowed, there would have to a substantial change to the motion.

And he says he has instructed the clerks to block any attempt by the government to ge round this ruling by tabling a “notwithstanding” motion - ie, a one-off rule change that would allow the debate to go ahead despite the usual Commons rule.

Bercow restates his ruling that he will only allow a new vote on the Brexit deal if it has changed significantly.
He says he will block any attempt by the government to use a procedural rule change to get round his decision.
This is new, and unexpected. It has probably reduced the chances of the meaningful vote being brought back this week (MV3), and it makes the chance of MV3 never happening a distinct possibility.

this is fine

this is good

what the fuck is going on over there ?

democracy iirc

never meet your tory heroes: bottomley and whately both voted against monday's motion and appear to be massive may lackeys

a "notwithstanding" motion

https://i.imgur.com/LzEAp8C.jpg

I mean this is the Parliament where Labour MPs tabled “an humble address” which iirc petitions the sovereign directly (to force parliament to produce documents)

“If you compared Britain to a sphinx, the sphinx would be an open book by comparison,” Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission, told the European Parliament on Wednesday at a meeting in Strasbourg, France. “Let’s see how that book speaks over the next week or so.”

I’m a dumb American and am totally baffled by the current situation but he needs to resign for this quote.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/25/Talking_Book.jpg

xxp do they need to do the accent?

good luck uk

John Bercow, the Speaker, is putting eight amendments to a vote.

Here they are. I have taken the summary of what each one says from the Press Association summary I posted earlier. The letters refer to the letters attached to each amendment in the order paper.

B - John Baron’s - No deal

Backed by Conservative MPs John Baron, David Amess, Martin Vickers and Stephen Metcalfe, the motion proposes leaving the European Union without a deal on April 12.

D - Nick Boles’s - common market 2.0

Tabled by Conservatives Nick Boles, Robert Halfon and Andrew Percy and Labour’s Stephen Kinnock, Lucy Powell and Diana Johnson. The motion proposes UK membership of the European free trade association and European Economic Area. It allows continued participation in the single market and a “comprehensive customs arrangement” with the EU after Brexit, which would remain in place until the agreement of a wider trade deal which guarantees frictionless movement of goods and an open border in Ireland.

H - George Eustice’s - Efta and EEA

A motion tabled by Conservative MP George Eustice – who quit as agriculture minister this month to fight for Brexit – proposes remaining within the EEA and rejoining Efta, but remaining outside a customs union with the EU. The motion was also signed by Conservative MPs including former minister Nicky Morgan and head of the Brexit Delivery Group Simon Hart.

J - Ken Clarke’s - Customs union

Requires a commitment to negotiate a “permanent and comprehensive UK-wide customs union with the EU” in any Brexit deal. Tabled by veteran Conservative Europhile Ken Clarke, backed by Labour’s Yvette Cooper, Helen Goodman and chair of the Commons Brexit committee Hilary Benn and Tory former ministers Sir Oliver Letwin and Sarah Newton.

K - Labour’s - Customs union and alignment with single market

Labour has tabled a motion proposing its plan for a close economic relationship with the EU. The plan includes a comprehensive customs union with a UK say on future trade deals; close alignment with the single market; matching new EU rights and protections; participation in EU agencies and funding programmes; and agreement on future security arrangements, including access to the European arrest warrant

L - Joanna Cherry’s - Revocation to avoid no deal

Under this plan, if the government has not passed its withdrawal agreement, it would have to stage a vote on a no-deal Brexit two sitting days before the scheduled date of departure. If MPs refuse to authorise no-deal, the prime minister would be required to halt Brexit by revoking article 50. The motion, tabled by the SNP’s Joanna Cherry, has been signed by 33 MPs including the Conservative former attorney general Dominic Grieve, the Liberal Democrat leader, Sir Vince Cable, Labour’s Ben Bradshaw and all 11 members of the Independent Group.

M - Dame Margaret Beckett’s - Confirmatory public vote

Drawn up by Labour MPs Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson and tabled by former foreign secretary Dame Margaret Beckett with the backing of scores of MPs across the House, this motion would require a public vote to confirm any Brexit deal passed by parliament before its ratification.

O - Marcus Fysh’s - Contingent preferential arrangements

A group of Conservative MPs, including Marcus Fysh, Steve Baker and Priti Patel, have signed a motion that calls for the government to seek to agree preferential trade arrangements with the EU, in case the UK is unable to implement a withdrawal agreement with the bloc.

xps to juncker - honestly thought that said sphincter, which would make more sense, Britain is in many ways like a sphincter.

Aw, Fysh and Cherry got to the vote but not Quince.

`When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea'

Think Bercow might be going too far with that one tbh

I’m a dumb American and am totally baffled by the current situation but he needs to resign for this quote.

― JoeStork, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 15:57 (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why on earth would he have to resign based on that quote

look i'm not saying it would be great if jean-claude juncker performed a flying karate kick on theresa may

however

jean claude van juncker

33 Tories voted against the government in that motion a while ago:
https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com/Divisions/Details/654?byMember=false

The usuals but Stevenson, Streeter and Tredinnick are new I think?

xxp just an exaggerated reaction to a tortured metaphor that I spent too long trying to parse

ive considered it and im sorry now u have to resign im sorry

guys, John Baron is just Trump, how'd you seat him as an MP

at the very least, be rusticated to JoeHeron xp

a man I very much respect and who really helped me and many other children is/was a faithful John Baron voter, says he's a great local MP. quite a low bar but he doesn't seem too bad for a Brexiter

slash Tory

I’m willing to resign from the brexit thread but I’m going to need some concessions.

Lilico jfc

Absolutely I would be, if I were solving some equations & there were intermediate solutions & then a final solution, or similarly if doing a chemistry experiment. Indeed, I come across the term "final solution" used innocently in all kinds of contexts. https://t.co/WQ9VhdqFRm

— Andrew Lilico (@andrew_lilico) March 27, 2019

hmmm

JoeStork is otm, “let’s see how that book speaks”, “that book” being the open book that the Sphinx would be by comparison to Britain presumably? Juncker retire binch iirc

xp we were loling at Lolico & co over here British Right-Wing Pundits

I’m a dumb American, but this shit is impenetrable.

Am I to be hauled over the coals just because I happened to innocently describe some art that was degenerate. I have never read a book and I am drinking paint. Checkmate sjws

meanwhile:

The French must drink less wine, say health officials https://t.co/bp581wI0N6

— The Guardian (@guardian) March 27, 2019

More Americans itt please.

Sorry to post Lilico in the wrong thread, too many days of posting in these threads has melted my brain.

May @ the 1922 at 5, DUP statement at 6, indicative vote shitshow at 7.

More Americans itt please.

Sorry to post Lilico in the wrong thread, too many days of posting in these threads has melted my brain.

May @ the 1922 at 5, DUP statement at 6, indicative vote shitshow at 7.

That's the worst festival lineup ever.

Labour three-line whip in favour of Kyle Walker amendment.

why do they always do parliament at night

I mean that happens in the US Congress as well but I'm pretty sure they at least start in the daytime usually

it's a health and safety issue

many of them will burst into flames if exposed to direct sunlight

why do they always do parliament at night

evil be thou my good, in this essay i will

I voted Labour in 1997 still half convincing myself that Blair's position was at least partly a PR act or that he'd be balanced out by the Party's left. That was the last time I voted Labour in a GE for 20 years.

Nigel Evans, the Conservative backbench MP, told the BBC: “The only thing that’s certain is that Larry the Cat is going to stay in place as the Downing Street cat.

“Prime ministers come and go, Larry remains in place.”

johnson-putin-stalin-lenin-russiandolls.jpg

didn't blair have the no.10 cat drowned or something?

Same here (as NV), except I've voted Labour in every GE since, Corbyn is my MP after all.

failing to repudiate austerity & punching left... LDs clearly think the route to more seats runs through tory-LD home county marginals

I hope Ellie's book has more to offer than account of the New Labour years. She might have interviewed ppl and all but I've read thousands of posts along those lines.

xp = I hope Ellie's book has something on Blair drowning the no 10 kitty.

They're right. (xp)

I may have voted for EMil in 15 tbh, depends whether I got drunk enough on the day to forget the racist monolith

2001: a race odyssey

2015: a race odyssey obv, goddammit

Boris definitely strikes me as the cat kicking type #prayforlarry

I was one of them young people on twitter who was inspired to vote through Iannucci's avuncular encouragement to get out there and use your vote for goodness sake! And I voted for either Britain First or UKIP in every election since.

failing to repudiate austerity & punching left... LDs clearly think the route to more seats runs through tory-LD home county marginals

FWIW I think she's right on this, a lot of Labour seats either have unassailable majorities or are in areas where the LibDems trail heavily. I mean look at all that blue:

http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

And if they've any self-awareness they'll realise that they're still toxic with a substantial section of Labour voters. The wavering Tories are easier pickings.

strap in folks, it's con/dem coalition time again

Jo Swinson, the new Lib Dem leader, has again ruled out working with Jeremy Corbyn, branding him a Brexiter who cannot be trusted to fight for a second referendum to keep the UK in the EU.

She said her door was open to MPs from other parties who wanted to work towards a second referendum.

But she said the Lib Dems could not join a pact with Labour while Corbyn was leader, even in the event of a hung parliament.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Swinson was scathing about Labour’s Brexit approach, even though the party has now said it would support a referendum on any deal put forward.

“There is nothing to suggest Jeremy Corbyn can be trusted on Brexit or that he will campaign to remain. Let’s remember in the last referendum he went on holiday for two weeks in the middle of it. Forgive me for not believing Jeremy Corbyn’s newly mouthed words on Brexit. He can barely bring himself to say the words people’s vote,” she said.

“I’m not supporting Jeremy Corbyn. If we are to have an election I would fight as Lib Dem leader as the party of remain that hasn’t equivocated on this like Jeremy Corbyn.

“There are plenty of people in the Labour party that I can work with, that I do work with. But Jeremy Corbyn is a Brexiteer. He cannot be trusted on Brexit. That is abundantly clear.

“And to boot he is somebody that is failing to deal with the scourge of antisemitism in his own party.”

can’t wait for the PLP to use this as a casus beli for another failed coup

'corbyn is a brexiteer, so it is with a heavy heart that i must ally with the party of brexit to govern the nation'

finally, a grown up

Lib Dems posting as they normally do

now I'm super excited to tie myself in knots defending the coming LibLab coalition

the LibDems really do inflame my murderous tankie sensibilities, their politics suck so much shit and they have that added smugness that they are the nice party.

Kind of hoping for the UK to crash out on the 31st of October tbh, even if I get kicked out. Shit's getting tedious.

tbf how has she explicitly said she'll work with the tories, except for doing it last time and voting for all their policies

niceness was invented as a weapon of hegemonic class oppression so they're not wrong

pom otm except I hope you don't get kicked out obv. Gonna start a "Get On With It EU" Twitter meme

Kind of hoping for the UK to crash out on the 31st of October tbh, even if I get kicked out. Shit's getting tedious.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 bookmarkflaglink

How can you not be entertained?

I am, not gonna lie.

But it's only slightly less entertaining when viewed from abroad.

slightly prefer the catharsis of fully cancelled brexit but one or the other please yes

I am sure this will get renewed for another season. What are the current odd on the uk still being in the EU at Christmas?

Speaking of renewal, new PM, new thread.

this one isn't that old and i don't think we should frame our narrative around the soon-to-be-briefly-incumbent

Boris Johnson is widely expected to be crowned new Tory Party leader later this morning

from Newsnow - the news aggregation site that isn't quite sure what a constitutional monarchy is.

PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

^^^new thread started

I am sure this will get renewed for another season. What are the current odd on the uk still being in the EU at Christmas?

It's quite likely, yes. I'm just measurelessly irritated at the prospect of Johnson's Trumpster bluff 'working' on the EU. Having to pretend that you're suspending disbelief when faced with such a coleus (get it? it's Latin) is a humiliating chore.

Possibly the only Labour seat the Lib Dems might be able to realistically take from them is Alex Sobel's. Maaaybe a couple in London (lol Hoey).

I suspect that post-Hoey relief might give Labour a little electoral oomph next-time-around but on the other hand (1) Vauxhall must be rapidly shifting demographically (those towers can't be entirely vacant money-laundering vehicles, right?) and (2) in any case middle-aged gays are the worst possible arch-neoliberals and, as my fieldword at the RVT indicates, not all that bright.

Possibly the only Labour seat the Lib Dems might be able to realistically take from them is Alex Sobel's. Maaaybe a couple in London (lol Hoey).
― nashwan, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 bookmarkflaglink

surely not? He is an ilx fave #armAlexSobel

Fresh from making Ian Austin a Trade Envoy to Israel, May has just appointed John Mann as "independent advisor on antisemitism". Audacious trolling on your last day.

scruton just got re-hired as well right?

NEW PM NEW THREAD HE REITERATED SELF-IMPORTANTLY: PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

We're all gonna die.