I'm not getting Bark Psychosis from this at all, though; it sounds like TNP boiled down to an essence, for me. Possibly slightly too much; it's slipping by me without leaving an impression quite a lot, which may just be my life and how much time I can give to it right now. I feel like it's lacking some... drama? Or tension, somehow? A little of the oddness of the last two records?
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 13:11 (seven months ago) link
Seemed to be over as soon as I was getting into it
the last couple of tracks do seem to whizz by. has been on pretty much constant repeat on my phone when i've been out and about. feel weirdly emotional every time that 'where the trees are on fire' comes on, like i could be stood in the shop buying a toothbrush or whatever and all of a sudden i have visions of the impending apocalypse running through my head. one of the older songs on the record, iirc they closed with it both times i saw them on the field of reeds tour
― kolarov spring (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 13:19 (seven months ago) link
I've listened to this three times now and I really don't get the sense that it's aiming less high than Field of Reeds at all. It doesn't feel like a giant leap into new territory like the last two I suppose, but if anything it feels like a distillation of them (in fact there are are songs here that feel like FoR superimposed over Hidden).
Talk Talk and Bark Psychosis continue to feel like lazy comparison points to me, impossible to imagine either doing anything like the cavernous bass on Beyond Black Suns, or the moment when the skittering breakbeats come in on A-R-P - in fact it feels like a much more *digital* album than the last couple, to an extent that those moments give us a slightly frustrating glimpse of a direction they could have gone further in.
But it's all just so lush and melodically involving throughout, both the last albums had insane highs - and there isn't a We Want War or a V (Island Song) here - but also long periods where your attention would wander a bit. There isn't a single wasted minute here.
(Also I thought Steve Reich was a lazy comparison point last time round but there's a burst of female vocals midway through one song which is straight out of Music For 18 Musicians).
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 13:51 (seven months ago) link
I agree that this album feels more like a distillation rather than reinvention and I am perfectly fine with that because the result is gorgeous.
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 13:55 (seven months ago) link
err, bark psychosis were fiends for the cavernous bass matt, absolute fiends i tell you!
― kolarov spring (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:13 (seven months ago) link
also check out all the breakbeat stuff that graham sutton went on to do as boymerang
Yeah tbh every time I've tried to listen to Hex I've ended up being bored shitless, I don't know what it is that refuses to click for me but I find it a massive chore and have never felt the urge to explore further.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:16 (seven months ago) link
the EPs that BS did are crucial to an overall picture of them tbh - check out the final minute or so of the track i posted, thats the heaviness that they were known for at the time
― kolarov spring (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:25 (seven months ago) link
I think the lack of drama / tension I mentioned is the absence of a We Want War / V (Island Song). Like there isn't quite a centrepiece which the rest of the album can fulcrum around. Which it may not need in time, but both of those were 'wow' moments that carried the rest of the record through the first few listens for me.
Yeah, BP could do bass, and Graham Sutton absolutely has lineage with breakbeats. Still not really hearing BP here though. TNP are their own thing enough.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:28 (seven months ago) link
Weirdly, the album I want to link this to the most in terms of mood/impression on me at the moment is the new Apparat.
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:36 (seven months ago) link
huh I had no idea that was out already
― Simon H., Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:44 (seven months ago) link
Hitting the spot this evening. I do get the Bark Psychosis comparisons (there's a similar metallic dampness to their sound) but I find them more consciously Romantic than BP. I'm getting first Guillemots' album vibes if anything.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 19:36 (seven months ago) link
idk if they're more Romantic, Codename:Dustsucker is practically wandering about the Docklands composing stanzas about urban decay and frosty gardens
― PPL+AI=NS (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 19:45 (seven months ago) link
Perhaps I just mean pastoral?
Also, Codename:Dustsucker certainly covers off the Bark Psychosis + breakbeats angle.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 20:09 (seven months ago) link
Matt should listen to C:D, it might be more to his taste than Hex. Certainly is to mine
― PPL+AI=NS (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 20:17 (seven months ago) link
Also cosign on We Want War and V (Island Song) being the grand realisations of TNP, although I'd maybe add Nothing Else in its own quiet monumental way
― PPL+AI=NS (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 20:19 (seven months ago) link
Just released this past Friday AFAIK
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 20:28 (seven months ago) link
Tracks two, three and four are all quite tonally similar to the opener, which makes me feel like the album is quite samey; whereas FoR moves around a lot in the opening four tracks. I also think Fragment 2 is incredibly strong - as good as V - and nothing on ITR has a riff as strong as that. Once you get to The Trees Are On Fire things change up; that track isn’t what I was expecting, and is stronger for it. It doesn’t meander aimlessly as much as the middle of FoR though, which loses me for long stretches either side of Organ Eternal.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 22:18 (seven months ago) link
Six is beautiful, and actually does remind me of late-period Talk Talk. The first four tracks lack orienting moments for me, so far.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 22:22 (seven months ago) link
I've been really enjoying this ever since the release. Does anyone know if Jack has had some vocal lessons/training? His vocals sound much better and stronger than on previous albums.
― ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Saturday, 13 April 2019 21:48 (seven months ago) link
Late to party but I don't hate his singing this time around and there's less clumsy late Talk Talk worship therefore This Is Good.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 18 May 2019 16:36 (six months ago) link
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, March 27, 2019 6:55 AM (four months ago) bookmarkflaglink
heard this for the first time tonight and immediately thought "wow djp needs to hear this if he hasn't already"
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 August 2019 01:36 (three months ago) link
this album is fucking wonderful btw
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 August 2019 01:38 (three months ago) link
i've been discussing this album with brad - definitely my favourite of their albums so far, and I'm surprised that some people were cool on it upthread. It feels like it has drawn on all their best previous ideas and presented them in the most pleasing form possible.
― Tim F, Monday, 5 August 2019 00:47 (three months ago) link
"Beyond Black Suns" sounds like TNP covering Severed Heads
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 5 August 2019 12:51 (three months ago) link
i think it's my favourite they've done but that's mostly due to them moving in sound a little towards things i like more and becoming a little more accessible i guess? not that field of reeds was bad or anything it's just a bit... idk if dense is the right word but it was more of an appreciate at a distance thing rather than being that moving to me while inside the rose is more direct in appeal. i can understand people who loved field of reeds being a little underwhelmed by this one though.
― ufo, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 03:17 (three months ago) link
Field of Reeds is if anything a little bit too diffuse in places, in that the bits that aren't incredible just drift away a little. The new one has a lot more shape to it.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 08:32 (three months ago) link
at a certain point i could see this being my album of the year. every time i put it on it's an almost overwhelming experience of depth and beauty lol
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:17 (two months ago) link
i'm not sure what the end of "beyond black suns" reminds me of but my god
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:18 (two months ago) link
depeche mode plays slowdive's pygmalion
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:31 (two months ago) link
reminds me of Air 'New Star In The Sky' a little bit
― frame casual (dog latin), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:42 (two months ago) link
Only just hit me the other week the similarity of Where The Trees Are On Fire's chords to the coda of the Beach Boys 'Surf's Up' (also therefore in turn I suppose 'La Ritournelle')
― nashwan, Monday, 23 September 2019 16:18 (one month ago) link