Remake/Remodel: DC Rebirth so you don't have to

Guess this, uh, “clears it up”:

In current mainstream DC continuity, Superman does not begin his public superhero career until adulthood. However, as a teenager he joins the Legion of Super-Heroes,[51] and used the name "Superboy" while visiting the 31st century.[52] Thus, most of Kal-El's pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths stories with the Legion are once again considered canonical. In addition, Clark wears his Superboy outfit when he works as a clandestine superhero in and around Smallville.

Yeah this was 'clarified' when Superman and Superman watched Superman blow up then Superman left Superman to be the only Superman and Superboy became 'Superboy' and not Superboy leaving the way clear for Superman to have been Superboy.

The only trouble with that wiki answer is that although that Superman was Superboy in the future with the Legion, there currently isn't and never was a Legion because reasons, although the Legion members may exist but just not remember they never existed.

reading that gave me a nosebleed

It did take about a year in the telling (post-Convergence and into the Rebirthiverse).

someone needs to stage an intervention on dc, this is v troubling behaviour

Following up on my post from 3 months ago, Doom Patrol is fkn great - full-on GMoz weirdness. So far we have had:

A black hole contained in a donkey from Paraguay
A cockroach narrator
A dog with the magic to save the universe inscribed on it
A giant floating eye in the sky
Another giant floating eye in the sky
A stare-off between the two eyes in the sky
Nazi scientist puppet shows
Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man
The lost city of Nurnheim, accessed through a priest's stigmata and inside a snowglobe
Some other shit

Is the Doom Patrol named the Doom Patrol from the start or do they only formally become the Doom Patrol towards the end of the series, after dressing up in Doom Patrol costumes and operating under the name 'the Doom Patrol' throughout the series? It's DC so I figured I oughtta check.

I've (ahem) acquired all of the episodes but am still very uncertain about how I'll feel about them. Might be helpful to consider the show as its very own thing, unrelated to anything that came before.

The Doom Patrol got mentioned for the first time in the latest ep, and isn't them at all (it's a Celsius/Lodestone/Mento lineup).

i need to get around to watching that

i just realised matt bomer is playing negative man - have they really hired one of the most comically handsome actors working today and entirely covered his face in bandages?

He spends a fair proportion out of bandages in flashback.

i'm into it but happy to wait until it inevitable migrates to one of the big streams

Legion might come back following Doomsday Clock given some of the plot elements (Saturn Girl?)

The new Superboy, Jon Kent, is a great addition to the Superman mythos

Titans now on Netflix UK (and worth looking at, as a minimum the Doom Patrol ep) so seems the logical destination in about 6mo.

sounds safe, especially since marvel will be on Disney+ so they need a big ally

my money's still on WB's upcoming service / DCU / Criterion merging

i will be amused if we get a 7th Seal/Darkseid xover

Legion might come back following Doomsday Clock given some of the plot elements (Saturn Girl?)

I've read that Bendis has been teasing a potential return, as well...

"I'm sorry, BMB, but we cannot admit you into the LSH creators' club! Your powers are just too ordinary!"

This is my regular slot to wonder aloud i. Amazement that anyone at all still gives a fuck about the tedious old Legion.

Why is the Legion any more inherently tedious than any other DC thing that’s been around 50-80 years, and has been rebooted 4 to 10 times?

Because this whole game is about picking your arbitrary sides and giving other people's arbitrary sides a hearty round of the raspberries. The Legion? Pshaw! They're no L.E.G.I.O.N. '89!

L.E.G.I.O.N. '89 were no L.E.G.I.O.N. '90.

lol!

Like I admit it's somewhat corny to purport to depict what Earth and humans will be like in 1000 years -- but it's no cornier than Planet Krypton, or the Green Lantern Corps, or (shudder) "Superboy Prime," or a lot of other DC stuff. Trying to spin contemporary cool out of Golden Age corn is their thing, right?

(Or "Silver Age," I guess... in fact one of their first attempts at "coolness" was probably when they tried to ghettoize the Golden Age stuff back in the day.)

to be fair, I kind of hate all that other stuff you listed. But yes, the Legion just seems a particularly dated and tedious bit of nonsense. But I'm aware it's hard to justify this.

Karate Guy and Matter Eater Lad and crying inside

I think a Legion revival, if done well (and I know DC’d track record isn’t particular strong with that), could be cool & timely — because (among other things) the Legion has a large cast of characters, at least half of them women (depending on how Luornu is split at any given moment, LOL); and their interest lies less in their powers than in their relationships and interactions with each other. Plus, their world sits at a comfortable remove from the messiness of the present-day DC universe... at least until the demands of “making a new continuity work” intrude to f up their shit.

btw - I kinda like DC's intentions with a somewhat softer push on the New Age of Heroes line, which is largely a DC inversion of Marvel properties featuring mostly new characters introduced after <i>Dark Nights: Metal</i>. They're not all good, but I like that it was at least a creative push that was going for new books and characters and not just yet another universe reboot

At least Silencer (sorta-Elektra) was decent; Terrifics (Fantastic Four) and Damage (Hulk) were so-so. There's like three or more other books in the line I haven't gotten around to? Looks like they've already all been cancelled except for those first two anyway.

I think the Waid 'up yours, grandpa" Legion from (ouch) 2004 was pretty close to what you're describing, Morris - I remember enjoying it at the time, though after a while it just dissolves into soap opera again.

The Legion, when it's done right (so off and on before the last decade of pure suck), is a great super-hero book. Sadly, I don't think any of the minds in charge at DC have a clue how to make it one again.

Time to give Shooter a call, I guess.

13-year-old Shooter's LSH run was better than 24-year old Shooter's LSH; imagine how bad 56-year-old Shooter's run must have been

Shooter's return to the Legion, a little over 30 years from his previous run, was his first major published comic book work in years. His run on the series ended with issue No. 49, one issue before the book was canceled.

I certainly don't think the field would be any worse off if there were more thirteen-year-old comics writers.

Waid Legion was pretty decent but then crashed along with Infinite Crisis IIRC

Yeah -- I never read it, tho I know they were revealed to be from the future of Earth-Prime (in Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds).

Ha ha ha... I forgot about this:

Superboy-Prime begins to live in his fearful parents' basement while reading the last issue of Legion of 3 Worlds. He then turns and talks to the readers, insisting they knew he was meant to be Superboy before Conner. He then proceeds to troll the official DC Comics message board on the Internet, remarking "They'll never get rid of me. I always survive."

At the risk of getting too far off-topic, here’s some prime Shooter greatness:

http://legionofsuperbloggers.blogspot.com/2019/03/tos-adventure-comics-380.html

Based on Superman being fun and interesting for the first time in years, I wouldn’t mind Bendis doing the Legion.

I would (will?!) definitely check it out... my fear is book-length scenes of characters sitting around arguing in Legion HQ.

Last week was the most bonkers in DC recently. SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY.

Batman's drugged wet dream about Selina's hen party with Lois featuring robot Superman strippers, an orgasmatron, lesbian experimentation and DRINKING PARTS OF ACTUAL MOGO FOR SHITS 'N' GIGGLES was ... good?

The Trickster solving the problem of how to stop the Flash from running by AMPUTATING HIS LEGS was... something else.

I'm afraid to ask what "MOGO" is(?)

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Mogo

Thx

Make Oa Great Okay?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6BAzlZUUAAWRHn.jpg
Poor Sam Kieth! Just ring him, Batman!

LOL (also, wtf with that art?)

Batz needs a hug

(also, wtf with that art?)

is this your first encounter with Kieth post-1991?

LOL otm

Yes it is!

solomon grundy beats up ed mcmahon, with laugh track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzTgwV4i-0M

I didn't know where else to post this, so I'll post it here. My wife just asked if there's ever been a female Joker, and I remembered the one from Flashpoint, and vaguely recalled there was a pre-Crisis character called the Joker's Daughter... So I went to to look for info on the Joker's Daughter in the DC wiki, and found her page. So, she's called Joker's Daughter, event though she's not the Joker's daughter, rather than the daughter of Three-Face (not to be confused with Two-Face) and Jokester (not to be confused with Joker). And apparently the new 52 introduced a new Joker's Daughter, who's not related to the old Joker's Daughter, nor to the Joker.

No wonder so many people find superhero comics incomprehensible.

DC is basically an eighty-year-long episode of Who's Line is it Anyway?