2020 Democratic presidential primary

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yeah, wdn't vote for Mayor Pete in a million years just off that fucking tripe

xxp

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:40 (five years ago) link

Kamala, you're supposed to say "to defend HERself"

btw fuck you, copper

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:41 (five years ago) link

I feel like ex-soldiers are ideally placed to critique imperialism.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 03:40 (five years ago) link

that's true!

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 03:42 (five years ago) link

mammals are creatures who make decisions based on feelings

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 03:44 (five years ago) link

my bff was so disillusioned with america after serving in the marines that he left the country.

also the most irl left-wing person ive ever worked with was ex-AF.

it be like that sometimes

but bootage-edge is not a hardcore lefty and he's still not better than LIZ

you know who deserves sitewide mod privileges? (m bison), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 04:01 (five years ago) link

it just occurred to me that Buttguy's reasoning is almost identical to the disgraced Missouri governor's story about becoming a SEAL. Both played up a "despite my humanitarian efforts/privilege, I just didn't think I was doing enough vs the salt of the earth who were joining up."

Which is to say I'd place a bet on ambition and resume-building

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 04:23 (five years ago) link

i actually find it plausible and identifiable that someone's not-particularly-sound reaction to the first puncturing of their class bubble might be "oh shit i have to subject myself to what the Others are subjected to, immediately", whether or not you understood yet that what they're subjected to is the job of subjecting the other others. it's also possible-- indeed easy-- indeed inevitable-- to be startled by the puncturing of yr class bubble even if yr dad is a gramsci scholar. but yeah he is obv an ambitious guy and it is funny that he's willing to admit this revelation came to him in iowa.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 08:55 (five years ago) link

and yeah i have known plenty of leftie ex-military, tho that is slightly different.

the most irl left-wing person ive ever worked with was ex-AF.

read this as "ex as fuck" and was like, same

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 09:04 (five years ago) link

just look at the state of this, smdh

Beto's new campaign manager, Jennifer Oโ€™Malley Dillon, comes from Precision Strategies, a corporate strategy firm that has repped GE, Bank of America, Humana, Pfizer and Facebook, among others.

— Lee Fang (@lhfang) March 25, 2019

i'm w/ tato, super hot AND weird!! (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 13:39 (five years ago) link

but Frederik has told us that Lee Fang is a Russian spy

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 13:56 (five years ago) link

tbf kind of burying the lede there (she was obama's deputy campaign manager in 2012)

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 16:49 (five years ago) link

idk how much I care about that. PR strategy is PR strategy.

โ…‹ (crรผt), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link

yeah me neither. but fang knows "she did the exact job o'rourke hired her to do for the previous democrat to win the presidency" doesn't have quite the same rhetorical effect.

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 17:50 (five years ago) link

well obv Beto is the New Obama... does he have a clergyman to disown, though?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link

maybe he'll own his campaign director for working at jobs.

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 17:54 (five years ago) link

"I can't disown my pastor for owning a Dave Matthews record any more than I can disown my own mother for liking post-sellout Goo Goo Dolls songs."

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 18:00 (five years ago) link

decent movies more often than not tbf

not 100% convinced on your maths here

steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 18:50 (five years ago) link

Though Buttigieg has not yet formally announced a 2020 run, he has launched an exploratory committee, making a series of media appearances and speeches calling for unity and inclusivity. If nominated, Buttigieg would become the first openly gay major-party presidential candidate.

โ€œWeโ€™ve got to find a way to use our identities to reach other people,โ€ he said, asking listeners to focus on the commonalities they share rather than the differences that separate them.

โ€œI think good art has that, good music has that, good literature has that, good chicken sandwiches and good politics,โ€ he added. โ€œWeโ€™ve got to get back to that before this current presidency just completely tears us apart.โ€

(from this)

Simon H., Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:34 (five years ago) link

good chicken sandwiches and good politics

this has the ominous ring of something he intends to say again

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:37 (five years ago) link

oh sorry they were talking about chik-fil-a already. thought it was just a folksy spasm.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:46 (five years ago) link

chik-fil-a is one of those things I wish people would just shut the fuck up about

pippin drives a lambo through the gates of isengard (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:59 (five years ago) link

this whole notion of "brokering a peace deal" as if it hasn't just been one side fucking up and antagonizing people is super weird

Simon H., Wednesday, 27 March 2019 00:05 (five years ago) link

torn because on the one hand obv huge depressing obama/beto vibes from that kind of talk but on the other hand

asking listeners to focus on the commonalities they share rather than the differences that separate them

is otm? provided you're not pitching the commonalities between me and jeff bezos.

don't think this guy should run for president this year.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 00:08 (five years ago) link

can if he wants to obv.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 00:10 (five years ago) link

It kind of goes along with what he has said about public service. It's something that brings people from different backgrounds, races, classes etc together to work for a common purpose. A lot of people don't tend to have those types of experiences especially if you stay in the same locale that you grew up in.

Yerac, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 00:14 (five years ago) link

public service. It's something that brings people from different backgrounds, races ... etc

yeah, as is a political movement. (a subcategory i guess.) agree that such experiences are too rare; they rewire yr perspective overnight. as tired as we are of purple-state unity talk and as useless as it is unaccompanied by material analysis, it's also possible(+necessary) to offer people (partic nonvoters) an enormous intersectional coalition that obliterates the tv image of america as 51/49 lib/fash.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 00:25 (five years ago) link

"offer people" is the wrong construction. "build".

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 00:26 (five years ago) link

And even AOC has talked about how much benefit there is in having elected officials having worked regular service industry jobs. It's a common joke that all people should be forced to work as a server or in retail for a couple of years in their lives so maybe we would have fewer assholes.

Yerac, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 00:31 (five years ago) link

well yeah working-class people are way underrepresented in American politics

Simon H., Wednesday, 27 March 2019 00:34 (five years ago) link

But it also gives one a different set of skills. She talks about it.

Yerac, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 00:35 (five years ago) link

all people should be forced to work as a server or in retail for a couple of years in their lives

fortunately for us this is exactly where most people are forced to work

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 00:37 (five years ago) link

Granted, some people do want to work in these areas and aren't just forced.

Yerac, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 00:47 (five years ago) link

Universities serve pedagogical Happy Meals these days.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 01:14 (five years ago) link

Biden addressing Anita Hill controversy head on. "To this day i regret I couldn't give her the kind of hearing she deserved."

— Mike Memoli (@mikememoli) March 26, 2019

Simon H., Wednesday, 27 March 2019 01:15 (five years ago) link

I"m sure he's lost sleep.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 01:21 (five years ago) link

Biden is such a sack of shit right there, of course he can't tell where the smell is coming from.

Yerac, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 01:27 (five years ago) link

"To this day I regret I couldn't give her the kind of hearing she deserved."

Couldn't?! Fuck you, Joe Biden. You were the chairman of the Judiciary committee. Are you really expecting us to believe the will was there, but your hands were tied? Again, fuck you.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 02:54 (five years ago) link

Anita Hillโ€™s family literally has a running joke about Joe Biden pic.twitter.com/eGuDIWMhkB

— Sarah Lerner (@SarahLerner) March 26, 2019

jaymc, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 03:13 (five years ago) link

all the good will he seems to inspire at the moment seems like 50% something that rubbed off from obama and 50% those onion articles. he's a sack of shit.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 03:16 (five years ago) link

He said โ€œthis is a big fuckin dealโ€ on a hot mic at the ACA signing ceremony, thatโ€™s like 4% right there

moose; squirrel (silby), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 03:28 (five years ago) link

there won't be an ACA left by the time the next president takes office so the very concept of incremental fixes to it are irrelevant nonsense https://t.co/wVZyrCHqKv

— Bill Humphrey ๐ŸŒณ (@BillHumphreyMA) March 27, 2019

squishy moderation on healthcare should not be tolerated for lots of reasons, but this is an especially solid and pragmatic one.

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 03:40 (five years ago) link

not sure about that

Dan S, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 04:08 (five years ago) link

I had an ACA plan for a couple of years. I don't think it was ever supposed to be a longterm solution. Why keep fixing something that kind of sucks when there is a much more obvious, better solution. So I get Bernie there.

Yerac, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 10:51 (five years ago) link

i'm on it right now, and may be living in my sister's spare room by 2021 as a result

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 10:54 (five years ago) link

It turned into a completely ridiculous, convoluted shitshow.

Yerac, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 11:09 (five years ago) link

And there is no reason the catholic church should be allowed to buy up so many hospitals and clinics in the US and be able to deny services. It's so messed up.

Yerac, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 11:15 (five years ago) link

RIP

Beto O'Rourke's wife works for an education reform organization that aims to expand charter schools in El Paso. Teacher unions didn't press him on charters when he ran for senate, but say things will be different now https://t.co/zkXbVHiNXO

— Rachel Cohen (@rmc031) March 27, 2019

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:05 (five years ago) link

I've been wondering about this because it's mentioned in every recent longform profile of him.

Yerac, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:07 (five years ago) link

Beto married into a family that is extremely wealthy. He can stand on a dirt road but at the end of the day he comes home to a world where the first reaction to getting into a fender bender would be โ€œoh letโ€™s just buy a new carโ€

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:09 (five years ago) link


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