Scott Walker. (RIP March 2019)

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It's the "This Is How You Disappear" disc of the FEP box I've decided to go for this evening.

Michael Jones, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:16 (five years ago) link

I wish I still had that set ☹️

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:18 (five years ago) link

RIP, obv not much to add other than I love his music, especially the later records.

I laughed all over again this morning at those pictures of him with Sunn, there is nothing about his outfit or demeanor that would make you think he was anything other than some weird drone metal dude, he just looks like he's in Sunn

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:21 (five years ago) link

wasn't sure if I wanted to talk about this…but…I co-wrote the notes to the first release of any of his music in the U.S. since the 60s: I think Scott I was released stateside in 67 but none of the others were at the time. it's a compilation of his beloved 60s material. I didn't know anything about him until a few years beforehand…but I was gung ho, eager for discerning americans to appreciate this unique artist from Ohio who had taken off to Europe for an ascetic Ingmar Bergman existence, never to look back.

It made next to no impression, and any significant impression as such was negative. Xgau panned it, and it was clear to me that the Scott I-Scott IV shit was repulsive to his generation of critics and listeners, being that the context in which that music was created was light entertainment, Jack Jones, Englebert Humperdinck, the kind of shit that Xgau and his peers would consider to be what right on rock and roll was supposed to demolish, or at least oppose. The way he sang drove Xgau's cohort crazy and they couldn't get past it. And the Other music/WFMU people who were my peers didn't bite then; that would take place in the 00s, when I suspect many of you guys discovered him.

Yet the 60s shit is what the likes of Jarvis and Marc Almond et al repped for in 30th Century Man: I think neither one of those guys likes the Tilt'/Drift era at all.

veronica moser, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:41 (five years ago) link

the compilation was released in 1996.

veronica moser, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:42 (five years ago) link

The Razor and Tie compilation, yes? I deeply appreciated that release, it was what fully opened the door for me to understand his work after referrals from friends and mentions/covers from other artists. I thank you for it.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:44 (five years ago) link

Honestly I never understood the Marc/Jarvis/etc revulsion or at least looking askance at the later work. It's on a very obvious throughline, as obvious as Mark Hollis's in a more compact sense.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:45 (five years ago) link

Cope went off him too

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:47 (five years ago) link

Weird memory I have is of a Canadian friend I had just before the turn of the century who was a real music nut but to my shock had never heard of Scott Walker. I guess everyone has their blindspots but it made me think maybe there really was a big Atlantic divide still going on with him.

Alba, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:47 (five years ago) link

Looking at the NYT homepage now and no mention of him, so yeah.

Alba, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:49 (five years ago) link

Not where I grew up but generally, yes.

suzy, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:50 (five years ago) link

Have a different memory of the impact of that Razor and Tie comp -- it was all over WZBC at the time and that heavy airplay was my introduction to him.

Three Word Username, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:52 (five years ago) link

i had already found an import of the Boy Child CD by the time the razor & tie comp came along but I agree it was a heroic shot [with a great booklet ;)]

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:54 (five years ago) link

Seems really rare in this day and age for a cultural figure to have a death that is breaking news on the BBC page yet registers nothing on the NYT page. And vice versa.

henry s, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:55 (five years ago) link

I think j cocker likes post-tilt stuff? He performed a song from the drift at that concert and he is the person who came up with the description “blocks of sound” that Walker always used to describe his approach

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:56 (five years ago) link

that's a nice suit

that's a swanky suit

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:56 (five years ago) link

Ha that’s gwb right?

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:59 (five years ago) link

I think it was Jarvis who guest-reviewed Tilt for Select at the time, and gave it something like "10 stars...or 2 stars...who really knows?!"

henry s, Monday, 25 March 2019 20:02 (five years ago) link

Ha that’s gwb right?

― A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, March 25, 2019 12:59 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't know, it's the first thing that comes to mind when i think of scott walker for some reason. i (think i ) know that another lyrics in cossacks are is gwb "I'm looking for a good cowboy"

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 March 2019 20:05 (five years ago) link

Yeah iirc both of those are things that gwb said to blair

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 25 March 2019 20:06 (five years ago) link

When the shit Scott Walker got into power, I was talking to a couple of Wisconsinites about it and though they were both into music they had never heard of the good Scott Walker, which was sort of depressing

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 25 March 2019 20:08 (five years ago) link

yeah the razor & Tie one. Marshall Crenshaw was a R&T artist and was the one who pushed the label to do it. I used to work there and helped MC write the notes. I was always trying to get them to do shit that would be competitive with Rhino and Ryko (the Joe Meek comp from 95 was my piece de resistance), but they were not equipped to market stuff like that. But stuff like hair metal hits of 80s? and later Kidz Bop? you bet!

really appreciate that some of you guys liked it, because it landed with a thud from where I sat.

veronica moser, Monday, 25 March 2019 20:10 (five years ago) link

For awhile there was a third Scott Walker who was a WRONG DUDE on Spotify, seems to have gone now

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 25 March 2019 20:10 (five years ago) link

There is also a fourth Scott Walker, a former hockey player who was with the Nashville Predators of the NHL for most of his career (which ended about a decade ago.) And a fifth Scott Walker was a character actor who always seemed to play the bad guy (as in the Muppets Movie.)

henry s, Monday, 25 March 2019 20:28 (five years ago) link

the Joe Meek comp from 95 was my piece de resistance

Man, you did that one as well? I doubly thank you! That was also my introduction to that genius.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 March 2019 20:35 (five years ago) link

Come come, everyone knows the former St Mirren centre half, Scott Walker, is the second most famous Scott Walker.

Don't Go Back to Brockville (Tom D.), Monday, 25 March 2019 20:37 (five years ago) link

And Alloa, as immortalised in Scott Walker plays for Alloa

Dan Worsley, Monday, 25 March 2019 20:49 (five years ago) link

So we now have Scott Walkers 1-4 and Scott Til' The Band Comes In.

Alba, Monday, 25 March 2019 20:50 (five years ago) link

Scott Scores Goals From His TV Series.

Don't Go Back to Brockville (Tom D.), Monday, 25 March 2019 20:51 (five years ago) link

Holy crap @ these two Ute Lemper tracks THANK YOU whoever first recommended them. These are beyond incredible

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 25 March 2019 21:21 (five years ago) link

Also I really like Scott's basic latter-day songwriting "thing": put a bunch of surprising and contrasting sections in a row, then repeat them exactly (with different words), and only once. It's the most distilled form of formal minimalism: it happens, and then it happens once more, then it's over.

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 25 March 2019 21:28 (five years ago) link

Great to see people discovering those xp

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Monday, 25 March 2019 21:28 (five years ago) link

The moment when the strings come in on Clara gives me goosebumps every time. So harrowing. RIP old man.

Fetchboy, Monday, 25 March 2019 21:33 (five years ago) link

Here is an interview from the 1984

xyzzzz__, Monday, 25 March 2019 21:38 (five years ago) link

I'm interested to what extent his influence is still present in mainstream UK culture. Do people in the UK karaoke his shit? I would fucking love that; I went to pick up my daughter since my last post and I sang "Jackie" at the top of my lungs in the car…

It is bizarre at this point that there is nothing on this in the NYT; they clearly are asleep at the switch. Is Pareles too busy at Big Ears? It's odd to consider, but Scott is far far too rockist for Caramanica; if Thom Yorke or other 40somethings rep for anything, Caramanica turns up his nose. But Scott is right up Ratliff's alley; it would have been up at like noon if he was still there.

veronica moser, Monday, 25 March 2019 21:44 (five years ago) link

Fwiw Le Monde published an excellent obituary this morning.

pomenitul, Monday, 25 March 2019 21:55 (five years ago) link

Er, this afternoon. Still.

pomenitul, Monday, 25 March 2019 21:57 (five years ago) link

I can't remember whether it was Mixing It on R3 or Radcliffe's Hit The North on R5 where I first heard "Boychild". Summer 1990 and Fontana had just put out that compilation (savaged by Steve Sutherland in Melody Maker, while praising the Brothers' hits). That was the moment for me. I recall the strange fuss about his 3-sec appearance in that Britvic ad (which wasn't long after Climate) - as if he'd been missing for decades.

Michael Jones, Monday, 25 March 2019 22:09 (five years ago) link

I (a yank) learned about Scott from Roni Sarig's book The Secret History of Rock and Roll, a U.S. publication that I bought while studying abroad in England in 2001. That book introduced me to some other acts too — Serge Gainsbourg, Swell Maps, Young Marble Giants.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:12 (five years ago) link

People have been posting the more difficult bits on Facebook but hearing The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore on the news was just epic.

koogs, Monday, 25 March 2019 22:28 (five years ago) link

i can't even process this news. have been a fan since drag city released tilt in... 1996?

maybe because SW basically started his career over several times, he seemed particularly youthful. so this really comes as a shock.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:43 (five years ago) link

This morning in my room

A little swallow was trapped

It flew around desperately

Until it fell exhausted on my bed

I picked it up

So as not to frighten it

I opened the window

Then I opened my hand

The cracking voice on the last line is devastating.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:43 (five years ago) link

the Joe Meek comp from 95 was my piece de resistance

oh, my partner and i bonded over this being in both of our collections. we both know all the songs by heart. it's fabulous. i've gotten several joe meek compilations (even a big box set) since and it's just too much of a good thing... the CD you put together is a perfect distillation of his work. so thank you!!!!!

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:45 (five years ago) link

Heartbroken.

Scott Walker was, and is, the greatest for me. My lone, and only spirit animal. We all try to hold or clutch onto things or people. For me, it was him. His presence in my life is a meandering red line stretched from playing old Walker Bros lp's of my mum that I put on the turntable when alone in the living room, curious to hear who and what were behind that corny cover; up to me echoing his dilly-dally yet incisive poetry of the latter works in my daily life.

That's a nice suit, that's a swanky suit.

There isn't a single artist that made me feel so completely at home in music, in a mind like my own, like he did. Who bridged two very different worlds - his 60s and his reinvention starting in the 80s - in which I both feel completely, utterly at home, at peace, at rest. No other musician, nor any human being, encompassed this feeling: that someone out there knows your dreams, the romance, the love, the foolishness, and - it's seems not to have been mentioned on first glance but damn - the humour! He made me feel there was someone out there I could identify with, especially in his/my growth. This is like losing a parent, in some way, for me.

A compass unlike any other. Scott Walker was my constant. And my constant he will remain.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:47 (five years ago) link

The cracking voice on the last line is devastating.

― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, March 25, 2019 11:43 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Fitting. I wanted to quote this, too. It's been in my head all day since I heard the news.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:48 (five years ago) link

does anyone have a link where i can read the entire le monde editorial? the version i found requires a paywall to read beyond the first few paragraphs.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 22:48 (five years ago) link

Scope J is really immense, I think it's my favourite Scott moment from the later era and he's not even on it! I think I read in an interview that it was originally slated for his next album (which would have been The Drift) but he gave it to Ute Lemper when she asked for a song. Would have loved to have heard a Scott version of it though!

That 1984 interview posted upthread is great. It's amazing to me that it appeared not in some niche publication but in a mass circulation weekly. How times change...

Zelda Zonk, Monday, 25 March 2019 22:49 (five years ago) link

I forgot to mention that it is indeed behind a paywall. Sorry GG.

xp

pomenitul, Monday, 25 March 2019 22:55 (five years ago) link

One track on The Drift is very quiet, and then Donald Duck makes a guest appearance.

iirc, yelling "what's up doc?" which is actually Bugs Bunny's line!

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:20 (five years ago) link

I believe it makes the Pola X soundtrack redundant for Scott completists, too

no fuckin way man (uh, imo)

pola x sdtk has some of his most conventionally lovely cues, almost debussy-like

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 25 March 2019 23:20 (five years ago) link


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