Why is John Fahey So Boring?

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thx, Ogmor...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, so when Chrisgau maintains that the Reprise Fahey is good but the Vanguard stuff "wanders" too much, is he right?

no.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

i've recently gotten a big bunch of 80s fahey LPs, and there are at least a handful of good or interesting tracks per album, though sometimes his guitar tones are weird, or the mix is weird. some of em, like Railroad, have really abrasive tones. also, it goes without saying that about a third-half the tracks per album are retreads of ideas he's explored before.

there is massive internal struggle in the john fahey catalog, with sometimes gorgeous and sometimes disastrous results.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the Christmas albums... (well, I have two of them.. one that has a red marquee in the middle of marble, which I think is "volume I" but I could be wrong... and the Volume II record)

Dom iNut (donut), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Funny thing is, the Christmas records are the most boring and abominable of his entire catalogue. The best thing about those records are the songs where there's another guitarist playing. I'd rather listen to an Edison cylinder recording of a broken loom.

As for the other two things I learned about music, here they are:

1. Never trust a musician with any sort of beard

2. Stay away from anything Pitchfork says is good.

Props out to Mr. Roundtrouser: your winsome earnestness has warmed my heart and given me pause. Irony is the badge of the defeated!

valdemar (nubbin), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha, I'm surprised anyone really likes the Christmas albums. However The New Possibility has some of the best examples of "this is sort of ridiculous but I'm going to play it dead seriously" Fahey. I imagine his wry smile. It's funny in the way He Got Better Things For You by The Memphis Sanctified Singers on the Anthology Of American Folk Music is funny; in an inclusive way that makes life seem ridiculous and wonderful and precious at the same time.

Ogmor Roundtrouser (Ogmor Roundtrouser), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 00:10 (eighteen years ago) link

typedef union { tBeard fBeard; tPitchforkReview fPositiveReview; } tValdemarHugglez

#define NUM_VALDEMAR_HUGGLEZ 2112

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}

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{

printf("I <3 valdemar!!!! lol omg !!!!!1\n");
}

printf("Goodbye, world\n");
g_fucked = 1;
free(NULL);

Dom iNut (donut), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 00:12 (eighteen years ago) link

If you were a real man, you'd have written that in COBOL.

valdemar (nubbin), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link

What is ridiculous about playing "Oh Come All Ye Faithful" and stuff? It's not like he was playing "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I hope you're being facetious Tim Ellison. He not only played that one, he also played the "Skater's Waltz" and "White Christmas". The abortions just don't stop with him...

valdemar (nubbin), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 00:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Obviously there's nothing inherently ridiculous about playing any of those songs, but I detect a real sly sense of humour in the way he plays them. I mean, syncopated hymns! For pretty much the entire album. I don't think it's just a joke or even primarily a joke, but listening to the amazing long slides up to the high notes on Silent Night brings tears to my eyes and makes me think everything is hilarious and magnificent. If only I could feel like that all the time (and if only the whole album was that good). It doesn't sound like he's making fun of these pieces, he's celebrating them, enjoying them, elevating them... it's like his version of Waltzing Matilda on Live In Tasmania. The way he plays it is GREAT. Waltzing Matilda is a fantastic tune, and his rendition is reverent and it makes you take it seriously and notice how good it is. Everytime I hear it I'm convinced it's one of my favourite tunes. One of Fahey's greatest talents to my mind, was the care and sympathy with which he would play tunes. He was so good at arranging tunes, composing intros and outros that would sometimes dwarf the actual piece, and also really good at medleys (later on anyway), something that doesn't usually interest me at all. Perhaps "ridiculous" gives people the wrong idea, but it is certainly amusing and smile-inducing, for me anyway.

Ogmor Roundtrouser (Ogmor Roundtrouser), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link

so, anyway, john fahey is so boring because he's japanoise.


...

i wonder if there are ILM trolls who just try to bait me sometimes, but i realize that would be impossible.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link

valdemar's criticisms here (technically proficient, boring, soulless, defanged, etc.) apply more to leo kottke IMO

HAKKEBOFFER (eman), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 04:01 (eighteen years ago) link

For a second I thought you were saying my criticisms were "technically proficient, boring, soulless, defanged, etc." and I was going to get steamin' mad. As for Kottke, never heard of him.

valdemar (nubbin), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 04:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Here is a John Fahey track I talked about somewhere above. It is from I Remember Blind Joe Death and it is "Nightmare/Summertime." It's not boring. It's interesting rhythmically, and his phrasing is brutally funny. Love the cathartic feel as you approach 5 minutes in.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 04:47 (eighteen years ago) link

God, it sounds like a mongoloid wearing gloves is playing it. This is exactly what I'm talking about: all these predictable gimmicks he uses like ending his phrases by slowing down, that incessant ponderous bass-line, very little sense of dynamics, flaccid chord voicings. Not sure what you mean by catharsis, the thing just peters out. Here is a guitarist who has some talent.

valdemar (nubbin), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 07:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Malmsteen wipes Snooks.

Then again Tom Lehrer wipes Malmsteen.

Game over, man.

Dom iNut (donut), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 07:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I've never heard Malmsteen play "High Society". Do you have an mp3 of him playing that?

valdemar (nubbin), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 07:39 (eighteen years ago) link

The second Christmas album is easily the best thing I've ever heard by him, side one anyway and yes the duets are the best parts.

Burr (Burr), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I've never heard Malmsteen play "High Society". Do you have an mp3 of him playing that?

I recorded him playing that in my 2-inch analog tape studio in Hawaii... we did lots of coke. It was rock.

(done spray-bottling Fahey fans' picnic yet? You've gotten the towels all moist now. For shame. I'm hardly even a huge Fahey fan here, so I found this all kinda funny.)

Dom iNut (donut), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Not as bad when I recorded Tom Lehrer performing his satirical piano revue which was about all the great folk legends.. that guy demanded crack enemas. We're talkin' Stevie Nicks shit now. That was fuckin' nasty.

Dom iNut (donut), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Seriously. Lay of Fahey. He's quirky, he's obv. talented, and he's willing to do something original. If you don't like him, don't listen to him.

Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Irony is the badge of the defeated!

A friend of mine's mother told me the same thing while giving me a ride home from 9th grade.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

jhoshea how are you?!?!? I didn't know you were on ILM!>!>! I remember that day I said that to you when I was driving you home!!>>> When did you get out of jail?

valdemar (nubbin), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

As for whether I'm done with bitching about John Fahey, I don't think so. I am a lonely old woman who has a lot to get off her chest. John Fahey's music really does make me very upset. I've tried therapy. I've tried medication. I've tried exercise and modifications to my diet. But still, this deep seated aversion to his music just won't let me be!

And so I say to Big Loud Mountain Ape: If you don't like readin' my whingein', don't be readin' it!

valdemar (nubbin), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm well valdemar, thank you for asking. I have been out of jail for five years now!!! (hard to believe it's been that long!!!) I'm a pilates instructor at the local Y now. Can you believe that? Old ironically fat jhoshea a homo pilates instructor. Well prison will teach you some things, I'll tell you that much. One thing I learned is that writing bad checks at the truck stop is not an occupation with a FUTURE. Another is how to be a homo.

Do you still listen to npr in your volvo? To this day, the pairing of the words volvo and npr makes me pleasantly drowsy.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Solo guitar music is mood music. I've been playing guitar for 20 years, and I love the guitar and how it's applied across a myriad of music forms, but I still can only listen to solo guitar music (and, for that matter, guitar and voice) in small doses.

That said, Fahey has a big messy catalog. Some of it is inspiring, and some of it is turgid. There's a lot of context that has to be in mind when you listen to the likes of Fahey and Kottke. They are both pre-New Age, but when listening to either of them with 2006 ears, there is a great deal of bleed/crossover. There's a lot of Fahey that sounds like the stuff your elderly Aunt would listen to on a Winter Sunday afternoon. And that taints our appreciation of their form.

I like the quote Dan Bunnybrain pulled out. That he saw himself as brilliant, but not a genius, lacking in composition skills, an emotive player who played in the moment. It all rings true. And obviously the man resonates with a number of players these days: Jim O'Rourke, Harris Newman, Jack Rose, OCS (plenty of others).

There's something enchanting about tuning your guitar to an open tuning and exploring disonance amongst the drone notes. That "Bartok meets the Delta Blues" thing is fun to explore.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Glad to hear you're a lithe pole smoker, jhoshea. I was once in prison, I'd rather not say why, and I got one of those crazy neck tattoos when I joined Las Cholitas Surenas Gueras y Suizas. As for NPR, I can't stand that shit any more! Fuck that ho Nina Totenburg! Still driving the Volvo though, and it's still got the stains from where you got sick from huffing kerosene. You boys!

valdemar (nubbin), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh my goodness, I've killed the thread. Mercy me... Onward and upward I guess.

valdemar (nubbin), Thursday, 12 January 2006 04:06 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

this guy's got a cool 5-disc "Roots of Fahey" comp up for download here: http://grapewrath.blogspot.com/2008/04/roots-of-john-fahey.html
BUT IT IS PROBABLY TOTALLY BORING.

tylerw, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 19:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Wasn't there supposed to be a Revenant Fahey boxed set? Did that ever happen?

Alex in SF, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 19:56 (fifteen years ago) link

I love that link for this alone:

http://bp0.blogger.com/_Gun5Xkdl7TY/SBfs1Kbj-iI/AAAAAAAAApo/TmL0GQAqWQ4/s1600-h/fahey_house1.jpg

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link

wtf

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 20:10 (fifteen years ago) link

thx for the link tylerw

yuon (jergins), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 20:11 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah i think there was supposed to be a revenant fahey box ... but is revenant still going? seems like they haven't put anything out in a long while -- the american primitive II thing in 04 or 05 was the last thing right? Or was it the Ayler box ... anyway, yeah, i'd heard about that fahey box but haven't ever heard anything concrete about it.

tylerw, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 20:28 (fifteen years ago) link

that roots of fahey stuff looks cool. i'm a big fan of the old time mountain guitar comp on county. for similar comps, check out "mr. charlie's blues" on Yazoo and "Mountain Blues" also on County.

ian, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Dust To Digital has a Fahey box scheduled for next year:

John Fahey: The Fonotone Years (1958-1962)

John Fahey
Release Date: 2009
Description: A 3 CD set to commemorate the 50th anniversary of John Fahey's first recordings for Joe Bussard's Fonotone Records. Remastered from the original reels of tape, this will mark the first time this music is available on CD.
Genre: Blues guitar.

http://dust-digital.com/forthcoming.htm

krakow, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 23:16 (fifteen years ago) link

ooh that sounds cool ... the Fonotone things have never been on CD, right?

tylerw, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Never.
Four 12" acetates compiling (most of?) the Fonotone recordings were just sold on ebay. I think the cheapest one went for $300-something, the others were all $500+

ian, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 23:32 (fifteen years ago) link

oh i guess it says that right up there, duh: "the first time this music is available on CD." anyhoo, cool!

tylerw, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 23:35 (fifteen years ago) link

anyone hear the blind thomas stuff on the fonotone box? where he plays with a paint brush? never could bring myself to summon the money for it.

the vrootz style set above looks superb, full marks to all concerned. i'm going to have a listen right now.

ogmor, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 23:55 (fifteen years ago) link

not I. the fonotone box is oop, right? been looking around for it lately. no dice.

original bgm, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Darn, I didn't realise that. Sure enough Dust-to-Digital don't have it for sale themselves.

krakow, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 22:19 (fifteen years ago) link

wonder where nubbin is today? that was some B+ trolling there.

I better jump on that Fonotone box, thankx for the tip.

sleeve, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Do you know somewhere that has it in stock?

krakow, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 22:56 (fifteen years ago) link

I listened to the "Deathchants, Breakdowns, and Military Waltzes vol .2" LP the other day while eating lunch. The one with "America" and "Episcopal Hymn" on it. He's still and will always be great, I think.

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 23:05 (fifteen years ago) link

I have a bunch of random mp3s and the Red Cross, one of my favourite albums of all time, where should I start, Fahey is a little daunting even though I love everything I've ever heard, which is a lot, but there's so much meta in the titles of things that its easy to get lost.

Take You Down (I know, right?), Thursday, 11 December 2008 01:13 (fifteen years ago) link

The Rhino comp, Return of the Repressed is a good starting point ... Also that live record, the Great Santa Barbara Oil Slick is killer. Don't know if there's really a "bad" Fahey album up until the 80s when it starts getting a little sketchy ...

tylerw, Thursday, 11 December 2008 02:05 (fifteen years ago) link

fare forward voyagers is a real standout for me. if the idea of fahey sprawling out over three long songs sounds interesting, definitely check it out.

original bgm, Thursday, 11 December 2008 02:17 (fifteen years ago) link


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