TS: Nick Drake's "Bryter Later" vs. "Pink Moon"

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I don't think they're bad, they're just significantly not as good as his best songs. I can't say why really. Some people here are talking about the first time they heard him. My sophomore or junior year in college I got the old Ryko Way to Blue compilation which I guess established the tone for my Drake appreciation, setting the standard pretty high. I mean, when the first song you ever hear by an artist is "Cello Song," that raises expectations for what the rest of his oeuvre will be like to almost impossible heights. I can imagine any song from Pink Moon on it (and why "Road" especially isn't, I don't know). I can't really picture "The Fly" or "Chime of the City Clock" fitting in. Again, not because they're bad, but because they're just not as good as like "Cello Song," "Time Has Told Me,""One of These Things First," or "Things behind the Sun."

Maybe that's a screwy reason, but it's mine, and I'm sticking to it.

jilted, Saturday, 12 March 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"Cello Song" was the first Nick Drake song I heard (not from the compilation - I downloaded it), and I love "Fly" and "Chime of a City Clock."

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 12 March 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

The weird thing is, I think 'Fly' and and 'At The Chime Of A City clock' are the probably the most Pink Moon songs on Bryter Later. I could easiely imagine them being stripped down further to fit in there.

Alba (Alba), Saturday, 12 March 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

The first Nick Drake song I heard was 'Northern Sky' in late summer 1994, on the Mark Radcliffe show. It's one of perhaps two of three other similarly stop-me-dead-in-my-tracks musical experiences I've ever had. "So that's the guy my sister's boyfriend loves".


Alba (Alba), Saturday, 12 March 2005 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes! Northern Sky was my first, too. The effect was immediate.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Saturday, 12 March 2005 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Oh man, why did nobody tell me about Nick Drake before?

I bought Pink Moon after reading this thread. The day I got it, I listened to it about 10 times. A week later, and I'm still playing it almost every day. This is simply the most beautiful music I've ever heard. I can't imagine a more perfect album.

Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 27 March 2005 02:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Mickey OTM.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 27 March 2005 03:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I just heard 'mayfair' on a metlife ad.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Rah for the Mickey. (And question, how's that roommate of yours?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Bryter Later has that great Joe Boyd opening/prelude/intro, so it wins.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned, I moved out earlier this week. He started hating me (unrelated to the thread about him) and living there became unbearable. God, am I glad to be out of there. I didn't know people like him really existed outside of movies.

Mickey (modestmickey), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

That whole scenario sounds eerily similar to some experiences I have had of late and I'm moving at the end of this week. Glad this thread helped you find the greatness of Nick Drake.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Fly is one of my favourite Nick Drake songs.

Bryter Layter. By a mile. Then Five Leaves Left. Although I love them all.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 22 April 2005 10:24 (eighteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
got an urge

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 24 December 2005 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Of the two, "Pink Moon". But "Five Leaves Left" owns all.

Nathaniel (Horbgorbling Slubberdegullion), Saturday, 24 December 2005 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
A year and a month later, I have my answer. Pink Moon.

honorary joy division roadie (Bimble...), Sunday, 23 April 2006 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link

all great
1. bryter layter, 2. pink moon, 3. five leaves left
no shame in disagreeing
i really like the contributions from John Cale, Richard Thompson & Dave Pegg on BL, but in many ways, Pink Moon is Nick at his most....Nick

timmy tannin (pompous), Monday, 24 April 2006 00:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Bryter Later wins in my book for the shimmery arrangements and Chime Of A City Clock and the peerless Northern Sky . A perfect stoned Sunday afternoon record. Pink Moon , while remarkable, has the weight of being a "final document" of sorts and it almost always seemed to come from a completely different human being than the previous two records.

Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Monday, 24 April 2006 00:45 (seventeen years ago) link

eleven years pass...

Pink Moon. I thought he improved with every album, and what I like about Pink Moon is the way everything has been stripped back to just guitar and voice for the most part. His guitar playing is so good on that record.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link

ND's right hand is unimpeachable

crüt, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 19:10 (six years ago) link

One of the things Joe Boyd remarks upon in his book White Bicycles is seeing ND play live for the first time and noticing how strong his left hand was and how precise and articulate his picking. Even outside of a recording studio, his playing sounded that clean.

vmajestic, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 19:25 (six years ago) link

Yeah, and it's great to hear it without any orchestral parts etc. Not that there's anything wrong with the orchestral parts on the first couple of albums, god no, it's more that it always feels like the orchestral parts and the guitar parts are fighting for my attention.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 21 September 2017 12:31 (six years ago) link

"Five Leaves Left"

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 September 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link

'Way to Blue: An Introduction to Nick Drake'

(srsly an almost perfect comp)

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 21 September 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link

never liked "black eyed dog". sounds too much like a blind willie johnson pastiche or something. none of those last four songs are among my faves, honestly.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Friday, 22 September 2017 00:54 (six years ago) link

on the other hand "road" is prob my all-time #1 nick drake song. it's gotten me through a lot of bad times.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Friday, 22 September 2017 12:04 (six years ago) link

I've always been Bryter Layter (even with the two dodgy later instrumentals), but just lately Pink Moon is edging ahead. Place to Be. My word.

I was up near Birmingham recently and went to Tanworth. He's in a modest plot with his folks and with a view of a spread of fields stretching to the horizon. I traced with my fingers the inscription on the back of the headstone and had myself a little cry. The wind was in the trees. All good.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link

drake is playing with blues tropes on black eyed dog, but i think it's a stretch to call it a a blind willie johnson pastiche ...
i think Bryter Later is my choice now, really is one of the most gorgeous records ever.

tylerw, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link

pink moon is tops for me and yes, road in particular. if you like that bare nick drake sound the peel sessions is great and on spotify... stellar version of 'three hours'

global tetrahedron, Friday, 22 September 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link

on the other hand "road" is prob my all-time #1 nick drake song. it's gotten me through a lot of bad times

When I listened to "Road" the first time - which was around 1980 - I slowly took in the words and immediately identified with them. It was like an obsession I had to grip the lyrics instantly, I couldn't let them slip by. I had to memorise them on the spot. Until today "Road" is the only song I know the lyrics of by heart.

You can say the sun is shining if you really want to
I can see the moon and it seems so clear
You can take the road that takes you to the stars now
I can take a road that I'll see me through

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 22 September 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link

pink moon is tops for me and yes, road in particular. if you like that bare nick drake sound the peel sessions is great and on spotify... stellar version of 'three hours'

― global tetrahedron, Friday, September 22, 2017 6:29 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'll have to check that out... thanks!

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 23 September 2017 09:09 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

Finally picked Pink Moon up on (reissued) vinyl today - £12 at the back of an HMV clearance rack. We've had a house full tonight: 18 yr7s for a Hallowe'en disco. Kids leave behind a strange kind of silence; I'm letting Drake enscorcell the disturbed air.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Thursday, 31 October 2019 22:22 (four years ago) link

that sounds like a shock. pink moon after the tohuwabohu of a kid's party. weird choice. from total distraction to total focus. will you tell us how it was?

walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 31 October 2019 22:28 (four years ago) link

It was risky eh - who knows what might have been summoned? Perfect, though. Parasite standing out tonight.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Thursday, 31 October 2019 22:42 (four years ago) link

Can't believe the hate for "Poor Boy" earlier on this thread; it's one of my favourite Nick Drake tracks. I love the bossa nova feel and "all those girls in the background choir should have been shot before the recording" - that's PP Arnold and Doris Troy!

fetter, Monday, 4 November 2019 16:05 (four years ago) link

yeah "poor boy" is great. it also has an awesome chris mcgregor piano solo!

tylerw, Monday, 4 November 2019 16:07 (four years ago) link

It's crazy all the love for Five Leaves Left upthread. I never really am inspired to listen to that whereas I have 2 very distinct moods when the other two get airplay.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 4 November 2019 17:08 (four years ago) link

i usually just play all three original LPs straight through, once I get going, I can't stop!

tylerw, Monday, 4 November 2019 17:34 (four years ago) link

yeah, they're all great imo. 'poor boy' fan as well over here

at home in the alternate future, (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 November 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link

Five Leaves Left starts to drown in strings at a certain point but the opening three and ‘Cello Song are incredible, perfect for this time of year.

JoeStork, Monday, 4 November 2019 21:11 (four years ago) link

River Man tho

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 4 November 2019 21:35 (four years ago) link

duh, part of the “opening three” of course

I recently scared my daughter by telling her she could play “Place to Be” at my memorial when I die (hopefully about 100 years hence)

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 4 November 2019 21:37 (four years ago) link

i don't know if i've mentioned this before but i lost/had stolen all my nick drake records except for "bryter layter" at a greyhound station so that one's my favorite

tantric societal collapse (rushomancy), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 00:34 (four years ago) link

Bryter Layter. "Over-produced" "muzak arrangements" "like I'd hear in a grocery store" rule!

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 05:11 (four years ago) link

Love all three obv, but I'd probably pick 5 leaves since for me it somehow captures the whole spectrum of his work

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 10:29 (four years ago) link

there's a pink side of the moon. yes, a pink moon. pink pink pink. pink moon

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 20:03 (four years ago) link

My Hannibal / Rycodisk issue of Pink Moon lists "Road" as "Radio", which brought confusion when people talked about "Road"

Duke, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 23:32 (four years ago) link

It was one of the first songs of his I learnt to play on guitar. Drop the high G to E and you're good to go.

Duke, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 23:33 (four years ago) link


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