Rolling 2004 Metal Thread

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>"but then I almost never hear hardcore bands as rocking"
what are they doing then?<

Jumping up and down in place and yelling really loud, mostly. With their hands in their pockets. And a javelin up their ass. (And sometimes laying on the floor and beating their hands on the lineoleum floor 'cause Mom won't give them any more Pepsi.)

chuck, Monday, 26 April 2004 19:17 (twenty years ago) link

ahhh... now i see where you're coming from. rocking involves that rocker stance...
m.

msp, Monday, 26 April 2004 19:21 (twenty years ago) link

or buffalo stance. or something. not to mention a rhythm section.

chuck, Monday, 26 April 2004 19:24 (twenty years ago) link

Can someone please explain to me what I'm missing about Pelican? Someone described it to me as kick-ass metal without an annoying singer (a common problem for me and much of today's metal). So I bought it. And was hugely disappointed. It's like an ambient dirge. Sheesh. It's not like I need a bunch of riffs, a la Fucking Champs, but I dunno. What am I missing here?

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 03:11 (twenty years ago) link

Possibly the first four-tracker, for a start, assuming you bought 'Australasia'

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 08:32 (twenty years ago) link

This thread is useful to me. I thank you all.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 09:06 (twenty years ago) link

Australasia is a huge leap forward from the debut, so if you didn't like it, skip the EP and go find some Blind Idiot God discs instead.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 10:05 (twenty years ago) link

Ah - opposing opinions. The rawness of the first one did a lot more for me than 'Australasia', which isn't to say I don't like that one. There again "ambient dirge" sounds like a come-on to me, so hey

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 10:15 (twenty years ago) link

If you go to ideologic.org between now and May 9, you can download the Sunn O))) Grimmrobe Demos EP.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 13:34 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I'm an ambient dirge fan, too (as long as the ambient dirges are heavy and spacey and beautiful enough), and I like both Pelican records. I used to like Blind Idiot God, too; even wrote about them in an SST roundup in the Voice a million years ago. And I also just remembered that I kinda like those new albums by Wolf and Tesla.

Anyway, here's what Dave Queen wrote about Pelican; I (obviously?) like where he says instro-stoner metal reminds him of dub:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0402/queen.php

chuck, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago) link

This Rattlin' Bones record I'm listening to now sounds really cool, too, but I totally have no idea who they are or whether anybody but me would think they have anything to do with metal per se'.

chuck, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 14:26 (twenty years ago) link

New Sunn0))) at the end of June, 'White 2', as well. Yay

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, it IS "Australasia" that I'm talking about. I guess I'll give it another spin or two, then give up if I'm still not enamored.
I sampled the new Satyricon while in the shower this morning. No thanks. But I'm on a cheesy Children of Bodom bender right now, anyway. (I love how that keyboad player unleashes light-speed runs with his right hand while swilling a brown-bag beer with his left. Sometimes they're like a perfect cartoon version of Dream Theater.)

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

I love Children of Bodom. And the keyboards are definitely the best thing about them...they've got that early-80s video-game-gone-berzerk sound.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago) link

I can't quite make the connection between Neurosis and Unsane (other than the fact that I saw them on the same bill, with Eyehategod, at Irving Plaza about a decade ago, maybe more).

A little less, actually, but I'm still pissed off about it. In the end, Eyehategod were incredible, and Unsane royally royally sucked.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 17:12 (twenty years ago) link

The thing that I'll never forget about Eyehategod live was that Michael Williams always looked like he was just on the brink of falling over, and the other guys always looked like if he did, they'd leave him lying there and keep playing.

Also, I hung out with Jimmy Bower one night at CBGBs (Eyehategod and Soilent Green and BuzzOv'en and some other bands were playing, but EHG had one of their roadies on vocals because Williams was in jail or something), and he was wearing the greatest hat I've ever seen. It was a black baseball cap with a pentagram (w/goat's head) on the front, and below the pentagram it said "The New South." I've coveted that hat since that night.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 17:22 (twenty years ago) link

Not one but two people defending the Children of Bottom! when the BM googlers get here you're gonna get called fags extra-loud

xpost EHG live gave off the most evil bad-feeling something-shitty's-gonna-happen-any-minute-now vibe of any band I've ever seen except for Whitehouse - magnificent, and some of the best audience-baiting ever

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 17:24 (twenty years ago) link

Shit, I've defended Children of Bodom in print a couple of times. (Can't get the link to my Voice album review right now.)

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

best audience-baiting ever

...and their songs flow together in the mire like DJ sets. I wasn't too impressed, though, the very first time I saw them, in New Orleans in '94. We kept going across the street to watch New Birth Brass Band, the little brothers of Rebirth. Awesome. Came back between sets, and horror writer Nancy Collins was onstage punching Mike in the head, while the rest of the band called her a bitch. Par for the course. When EHG grew up musically, they were greatness.

...but the bad vibes permeate New Orleans. Soilent Green bassist Scott Williams was just murdered Monday night.

I've defended Children of Bodom

It's not so bad, for a band named after a cafe press. I'd recommend the Norther album Death Unlimited, on Spinefarm, to anyone enamored of this melodic death-thresh sound.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

Just went and downloaded about a dozen EHG MP3s. Exactly what I needed this afternoon.

This is the first I've heard about Williams. That's too bad. I never liked the band much, but still.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:33 (twenty years ago) link

Excellent article, Phil. I'm definitely gaining a huge appreciation for the Bodom gang.
I attended an alt-weekly panel at SXSW this year that had the Cleveland Scene music editor on it. He was the only panelist with a journalism degree, which cost him points with the other hipster editors up there. It cracked me up. (I shouldn't have been in that room, anyway. Had I been outed as a dailies guy, I could have been lynched.)
So ... will I get spanked here for saying that I dig the new Killswitch Engage album, different singer and all?

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Thursday, 29 April 2004 01:07 (twenty years ago) link

Not one but two people defending the Children of Bottom! when the BM googlers get here you're gonna get called fags extra-loud.
Cool! I already get hammered on local message boards by kids who hate my reviews. I went to a Red Chord/Six Feet Under show two weeks ago wearing a Darkness shirt just to antagonize the mouthguard-wearing karate punks in the pit.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Thursday, 29 April 2004 01:11 (twenty years ago) link

I only saw EHG about two years ago. It was pretty cool but there wasn't much stench of malevolent evil or nothing, so I guess it was an off night. It did look like Williams had thrown up down his shirt though

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:05 (twenty years ago) link

Anyone know when the lickgoldensky is out in stores and is there a tracklisting available?

Ryan J, Thursday, 29 April 2004 12:15 (twenty years ago) link

May 24 and possibly on www.level-plane.com in a week or summat

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 29 April 2004 12:46 (twenty years ago) link

>>www.theajnaoffensive.com has it - i just got my copy (+abigail +s.o.l.) from them. i think they're also doing US distro for drakkar these days. <<

They're unofficial reprints. Mutilation doesn't do more than a couple hundred copies and refuses to do official repressings.

Alan Conceicao, Thursday, 29 April 2004 13:23 (twenty years ago) link

I've decided I like both the Hiss album and Icarus Line album. And oh yeah, also the Sex Slaves' EP. All of which have more to do with pop people's late '80s definition of metal than metal people's early '00s definition of metal, so caveat emptor. But there is more to life than ugly horror kitsch, as we all know.

chuck, Thursday, 29 April 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

I just looked at a picture of Icarus Line in a magazine and my friend Don was in the picture. So I guess he is in Icarus Line now. He looks out of place with the rest of the long-hair Icarus people. He used to be in Ink & Dagger & Lilys in Philly.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:48 (twenty years ago) link

does the new Deicide suck? Considering the latest album of theirs I have is Serpent of the Light, which I consider abysmal, I shouldn't be surprised. Still, "Legion" kicks ass.

and I agree with you on the new Vital Remains, it slays.

uh, Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

I really dig Suffocation's comeback album too, so far. the "thrashy" parts of their pummelling death metal are toned down, and there are still quite a bit of breakdowns, and it's not quite as technical as before, but I still think the songwriting is solid.

and what mammoth production.

uh, Thursday, 29 April 2004 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

What's the definition of "breakdown"?

if (Mr Deeds), Thursday, 29 April 2004 21:19 (twenty years ago) link

where the DJ stops the record and drops in another break. for dancing.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 30 April 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

and similarly, it's when the momentum of the song sort of devolves to about quarter pace later in the song for a triumphant regrouping....

of course, when everybody's out of shape, the breakdowns happen a lot cause the drummer has to catch a breath. that and spray cheese. everybody needs a chance to eat some spray cheese.
m.

msp, Friday, 30 April 2004 02:19 (twenty years ago) link

like a mosh part?

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 30 April 2004 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

I just always hear people talk about "lots of breakdowns" when describing metalcore bands, and I don't understand what they're talking about. I'm still not sure I do.

if, Friday, 30 April 2004 03:43 (twenty years ago) link

I got the new Suffocation the other day, but my first listen is gonna be later today. And if you think the new Deicide album is bad (and it is, it really, really is), you should see the video. Tragic.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 30 April 2004 12:20 (twenty years ago) link

"breakdown" basically equals "bridge".

?

the guitarist usually stops the chorus verse riffing for big chops that ring out and slow things down while the rhythm section continues to move forward and then WOOGAH!

change.
m.

ps but don't forget the spray cheese or the chance for a screedy rant by the drummer (metallica) or the singer (henry rollins).... every moderately political band (including U2) has used this at some point.

m.

msp, Friday, 30 April 2004 19:31 (twenty years ago) link

can i just say i was playing the video game 'mafia' and in one bit you're racing a 1930s roadster; at the end the stats come up and the other drivers are named "mark greenway," "will rahmer," "peter tagtgren" and "chris barnes."

made me laugh.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 1 May 2004 02:51 (twenty years ago) link

chris barnes is a pussy.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 1 May 2004 03:57 (twenty years ago) link

well, yeah. so?

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 1 May 2004 06:55 (twenty years ago) link

I just saw Six Feet Under in concert about three weeks ago. They weren't bad, but they did get old after a few songs. However, Barnes still has an impressively deep, ugly growl, along with that high-pitched shriek thing he does. It's much harsher live than on record. Incidentally, the opening act, The Red Chord, blew Six Feet Under off the stage.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Saturday, 1 May 2004 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

I got the new Suffocation the other day, but my first listen is gonna be later today. And if you think the new Deicide album is bad (and it is, it really, really is), you should see the video. Tragic.

What, you don't like the "Harley biker" feel? Heh. By the way, what's up with all the vocal effects on that song ...

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Saturday, 1 May 2004 18:30 (twenty years ago) link

>>can i just say i was playing the video game 'mafia' and in one bit you're racing a 1930s roadster; at the end the stats come up and the other drivers are named "mark greenway," "will rahmer," "peter tagtgren" and "chris barnes."<<

HAHA

But, the real question...was the virtual Will Rahmer wearing a leather vest too?

Alan Conceicao, Saturday, 1 May 2004 21:00 (twenty years ago) link

Saw the new Slipknot video last night. Rick Rubin (producer of the new album) has ruined them. I don't understand; his name on a project used to be a good omen. Now it's a huge neon sign reading Warning: Maturity Ahead. Slow Down. (Note: this refers only to his rock productions, though the Danger Mouse version of "99 Problems" stomps all over the Rubin version.) Rick has become Don Was in his old age, and he's dragged Slipknot down with him.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 2 May 2004 12:07 (twenty years ago) link

he's dragged Slipknot down with him

That's a pretty impressive feat.

Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 2 May 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

I fail to see how Rick Rubin (the guy was never the Midas of rock anyway, guys) dragged down a band that already sucked in the first place.

Slipknot is music for pseudo-rebels: people who are angry but don't know why and just feel like being apathetic to everything.

Back to the breakdowns post, I always saw them as the part of the song where the music slows way down to almost a grinding halt and chunky chords play...they are sometimes "moshy" parts too.

uh, Sunday, 2 May 2004 15:52 (twenty years ago) link

I never got into Six Feet Under. I always felt they were so half-assed. "stoner" death metal, without the interesting atmospheres/motifs that most stoner music employs, and without the interesting riffs or savagery that death metal of any volition (excepting melodic death) that death metal utilizes.

Just an ultra bore.

uh, Sunday, 2 May 2004 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

Slipknot is music for pseudo-rebels: people who are angry but don't know why and just feel like being apathetic to everything.

I believe these people are called teenagers.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 2 May 2004 16:30 (twenty years ago) link

No, it's infiltrated colleges too.

uh, Sunday, 2 May 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

I dunno, I've met some pretty smart kids who aren't rebelling against anything who enjoy Slipknot. And I don't have any problem with nihilism in music. I quite enjoy it. I even like apathy if it's done right. I like the two Slipknot albums I have. I like the parts that approach total noise. And those long-ass dirges that end their albums. They are (or were) pretty extreme for a vastly popular band. I can see the kids getting into them cuzza the costumes and horror-movie aspect. I probably like a lot of things that discerning metal fans hate though. I even like Hatebreed! Not as much as Converge, but I like them. I enjoy screaming. And big fat dumb riffs.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 2 May 2004 16:50 (twenty years ago) link


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