"Maroon 5 is band you're going to be hearing a lot of for many years to come!"

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I heard the Maroon 5 all went to prep school and their daddies got them their record contract, but I don't care because they are so dreamy.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Sunday, 22 February 2004 00:53 (twenty years ago) link

we should just have all-purpose Coppola family punch cards that we can use for interchangeable events including Spike Jonze flicks, 'cause he'll always be one of the family, y'know

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Sunday, 22 February 2004 01:17 (twenty years ago) link

John Mayer!!!!!!! that'd make me run far away...wait, they ARE dreamy! no wonder you can only see their video AFTER HOURS

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Sunday, 22 February 2004 01:18 (twenty years ago) link

I'd like to note that I've recently realized that I too hate John Mayer. Oh he may spout the occasional witticism, but far too often the radio I've heard shit that might not even be him, but sounds like shitty John Mayer. He's dangerous.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 February 2004 01:20 (twenty years ago) link

The stuff that sounds like John Mayer is Jack Johnson.

So many times I've gotten those two confused.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 22 February 2004 01:21 (twenty years ago) link

Ben Stiller deserves to be mentioned as an asshole for his role in the new Jack Johnson video as well.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Sunday, 22 February 2004 01:28 (twenty years ago) link

That dude from Third Eye Blind looks hideous now...a bloated coke whore who just got beat up by his pimp or summat. We can only pray the same happens to Mayernnaise

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Sunday, 22 February 2004 02:04 (twenty years ago) link

Maroon 5 were on Saturday Night Live tonight, which I happened to be watching for the first time in eons, because my wife said she'd heard the show had been funny lately.

1) Maroon 5 were about as forgettable a band as has ever existed, and

2) SNL's humor comes from the rare moments it veers off formula, which isn't often. The female stars on the show SUCK, and the men aren't much better.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Sunday, 22 February 2004 05:36 (twenty years ago) link

Tonight's SNL was great, what are you talking about? "Jesus horses"! I made a snack during Maroon 5's set.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 22 February 2004 06:10 (twenty years ago) link

Tonights SNL made me so sad. All of the skits went on for a million years, and when Amy Poehler came on screen I kept saying "God Amy, look what theyve got you doing. Why cant they use your genius to its fullest ability and just let you write the entire show?!"

That one Maroon 5 song, the new single "This love" is actually, surprisingly good. His voice is really good and the song is super catchy, and R&B based and just sounds like a great pop-rock song.

David Allen (David Allen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 06:14 (twenty years ago) link

Christina was pretty good, though most of the skits were very weak (this has been a bad year for SNL, in spite of having some genuinely talented performers in the cast). Christina did a really, really good impression of Samantha from Sex In The City, which was kind of surprising because it had never occurred to me how distinctive Kim Catrall's speech patterns were to begin with.

Everything Will Forte did was very funny, but that's not shocking. That guy needs to step up and take over the show, Ferrell-style.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:11 (twenty years ago) link

David, you're right about Amy - she's under-utilized, even when she's in five or six sketches in one episode.

Amy Poehler, Fred Armisen, Will Forte, Tina Fey, Chris Parnell, and Seth Meyers can all be really great when they are allowed to shine.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:14 (twenty years ago) link

SNL inspires me to be all Ian MacKaye: "are their good moments in recent SNL's? sometimes. but it's really not worth the pain of finding out. There's power in saying no."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

I actually like most of the women on the show. I think this cast is pretty strong, esp. because they seem to be ceding notalent Jimmy Hotboy's time to more talented guys like Will Forte and Seth Meyers....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

Maroon 5's first song genuinely reminded me of Supertramp, which is odd because I think it might be the first band to ever evoke 'Trampiness in that way.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:22 (twenty years ago) link

To Maroon 5: Wide Mouth Mason would like their sound back (though they're not sure why)

Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:25 (twenty years ago) link

Last Night's SNL was the poorest I've ever seen it. Raise your standards, Sundar.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:56 (twenty years ago) link

I've been watching this whole season, and I've got to say that last night's episode was middling in the context of this season so far. There have been much, much, much, MUCH worse episodes. The Jennifer Anniston episode from a few weeks back was probably the worst episode of SNL in seven or eight years, and the Halle Berry one was almost as awful.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 20:59 (twenty years ago) link

Halle's was terrible...Timberlake's was great though! I like teen pop idols as SNL hosts.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago) link

"Harder To Breathe" is good, i'm not feeling "This Love" so much, though. has anyone who is not overflowing with Alex-in-NYC-style bile for them heard the album? how is it?

Al (sitcom), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:05 (twenty years ago) link

The better-than-average episodes (in the context of the 03-04 season, mind you) were, in my opinion: Timberlake, Alec Baldwin, Kelly Ripa. Jack Black's episode had some good skits too, but too much of it was awful. Ditto Drew Barrymore's episode. The Baldwin episode was by far the best, which is no shock, since he's always a good host.

They really need to get some surefire good hosts, because that's half the problem lately. They need to pull out the big guns and book Christopher Walken again. It'd be good if they got Ray Romano too, since both times he's hosted were well above average.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:06 (twenty years ago) link

"Harder To Breathe" is good, i'm not feeling "This Love" so much, though.

What are you talking about?

I like "This Love" more, but I don't even really like that.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:07 (twenty years ago) link

Will Ferrell and Bill Murray would be good choices for guest-host too.

And they should make Forte the new full-time Bush impersonator (Oh my fucking GOD Hammond is bad at Bush!), and get back to harshly mocking Bush as they did when Ferrell had the role.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:08 (twenty years ago) link

Baldwin is so money on SNL. John Lithgow used to be great too.
I like that "Klinger the Zinger" sketch that Seth Meyers has now, he was good on that with Baldwin. Although, like all those things, they'll run it into the ground very soon though.

I also think I've decided that the current SNL News might be my favorite ever. (Tina Fey is so great on that).

OTM about Hammond's Bush sucking (which is wierd becaue he's usually such a great mimic --- His Donahue on the Xtina episode killed me)....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago) link

2) SNL's humor comes from the rare moments it veers off formula, which isn't often. The female stars on the show SUCK, and the men aren't much better.

The cast is the best it's been in years. The problem is that they've been hiring awful hosts and writing the entire show around them. Every sketch is about Xtina or Nick and Jessica or whoever, they aren't writing regular sketches.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:15 (twenty years ago) link

Halle's was terrible...Timberlake's was great though! I like teen pop idols as SNL hosts.

An aquaintance of mine who writes for the show said JT was one of the funniest people he'd ever met.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

I like to watch the reruns of SNL on Comedy Central. Much funnier. Plus, that's how I got to see the episode with Nirvana.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:18 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't see the last time he was on, but Alec Baldwin is probably the most underrated SNL host ever.

Al (sitcom), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:18 (twenty years ago) link

The show panders more than ever before to lowest common denominator humor, and that's a damn shame.

Baldwin's been on a few times (in the mid 90's) and he was always hilarious.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:19 (twenty years ago) link

They've only done that Zinger thing twice - they did it last week with Mullally, and it worked again. If they do that twice a season, it'd be fine, but if they were to start doing it every other episode, it'd be aggravating, I'm sure.

I think that if for some reason Jon Stewart leaves the Daily Show, they should get Tina Fey to be the new host. She'd be great on that show.

Forte and Meyers are definitely the future of this show, though. They need to push them in the spotlight more. Forte's bit last night on Weekend Update was especially funny. His comedy style is strange and somewhat unique, which is what the show really needs right now.

Jimmy Fallon has his moments, but he's more often than not very annoying. Hopefully he'll be gone in a season or two and he'll start making awful movies. Horatio Sanz can be very funny, but any time he is paired with Fallon, you are guaranteed that it's going to be embarassing and unfunny. Chris Parnell has a narrow range, but he's great at what he does. Maya Rudolph and Rachel Dratch can be funny, but too often they rely on silly voices and exaggerated facial expressions to get across a joke, which is a setback.

Fred Armisen is a funny guy, but I get the sense that he is on the wrong show. His best stuff is very subtle and plays off of detail - he's style is a bit like a cross between the Best Show On WFMU and Christopher Guest movies, and I don't think the mainstream is necessarily the most comfortable place for him to be. Sometimes he can do stuff on the show which fits in well - his Prince impression was really funny and accurate - but I think he'll do much better things later on in his career.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:22 (twenty years ago) link

I think Britney, Christina and Justin have all been great hosts. They've been bred to be total entertainers since they were little kids, and it totally shows. They all have surprisingly strong comedic chops. I'd be happy to see any of them host again.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

Um, Alex, when was SNL some kinda cerbral experimental thing? It's always just been a sometimes funny/sometimes not sketch show....or am I missing something? Was Samurai Chef really mind blowing at the time or something?

Matthew, I do like Fallon on the News, but if he does one more sketch (like the White Stripes one on the Barrymore episode) where it's like "HEY EVERYBODY! I PLAY GUITAR!!! I CAN SING!! HEE HEE HEE!" I'm going to puke....I never thought I'd say "poor-man's Adam Sandler" but there you go...Yeah, and your right about him and Horatio...it's like nobody thinks you guys are as funny as you do....quit cracking up fer chrissakes.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

Um, Alex, when was SNL some kinda cerbral experimental thing?

Compared to the high school talent show garbage they air today (which borders tenuously on poop jokes), the earlier incarnations (especially the over-celebrated "golden age" of Belushi/Ackroyd) are high art.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:29 (twenty years ago) link

Fallon rips off Mike Meyers more often than Sandler. He's very obviously trying to follow in both of their footsteps - he's very careerist, I think. And totally unoriginal, obviously.

Fallon's Irish guys sketch is basically a variation on Meyers' shitty Scottish jokes, his stoner webcam tv thing with Horatio is a variation on Wayne's World. It goes on and on, really.

Jimmy's funny when he's being himself, but he's so often aping other people's bits or doing unfunny lcd jokes that he rarely gets a chance to do that anymore. Fallon just strikes me as a guy who is desperate to be loved and popular, and that fucks him up more than anything else.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:30 (twenty years ago) link

I liked, in one episode, Mike Meyers was the host of this dance show from Holland I think. He called it Deter's Dance Party.

That was funny.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:31 (twenty years ago) link

Halle's was terrible...Timberlake's was great though! I like teen pop idols as SNL hosts.
An aquaintance of mine who writes for the show said JT was one of the funniest people he'd ever met.

-- Colin Beckett (Colin4...), February 22nd, 2004.

My God, I didn't know the writers were that bad.

Um, Alex, when was SNL some kinda cerbral experimental thing? It's always just been a sometimes funny/sometimes not sketch show....or am I missing something? Was Samurai Chef really mind blowing at the time or something?
Matthew, I do like Fallon on the News, but if he does one more sketch (like the White Stripes one on the Barrymore episode) where it's like "HEY EVERYBODY! I PLAY GUITAR!!! I CAN SING!! HEE HEE HEE!" I'm going to puke....I never thought I'd say "poor-man's Adam Sandler" but there you go...Yeah, and your right about him and Horatio...it's like nobody thinks you guys are as funny as you do....quit cracking up fer chrissakes.

-- M@tt He1geson (matt@game[remove]informer.com), February 22nd, 2004.

First seasons were extremely experimental, muppets, Andy Kaufman, even the samarai chef was a weird thing, no dialogue at all, no explanation, just wackiness.

David Allen (David Allen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:33 (twenty years ago) link

Alex, I've been watching SNL reruns for years, and I've become fairly convinced that the all-time high for the show was pretty recent, actually - 98/99/00, which saw Will "the best SNL performer ever, bar none" Ferrell at his peak, and had Jimmy and Tina on WU, strong Bush/Gore material, plus many strong performances from Molly Shannon (even in spite of her annoying stuff), Chris Parnell, Tim Meadows, Tracy Morgan, and Darrell Hammond.

The first four years was very inventive, and the early 90s is obviously classic, but in terms of just being weird and funny, the late 90s is the peak.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:35 (twenty years ago) link

Alex, I've been watching SNL reruns for years, and I've become fairly convinced that the all-time high for the show was pretty recent,

Will Ferrell was easily the best of the bunch, but for god's sakes, man, he CARRIED the rest of the cast. I've been watching the show since it's inception, and it's NEVER been worse than it is today, even in its Lorne-less Rocket/Gottfried era.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:37 (twenty years ago) link

man the early SNL has more than it's fair share of crap though...and Kaufman's "not funny is funny for smart people" stuff grates just as often as it works. All I was saying is that SNL has always been pretty much the same in my book....very hit-and-miss, sometimes hilarious, never too "brilliant" or "visionary"....(with certain horrible exceptions like when they had Anthony Michael Hall in the cast)

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:37 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, Matt is OTM. The show was certainly a revelation in format, but the content has never been all-around spectacular.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:39 (twenty years ago) link

Also, has any cast member ever been as underrated as Darrel Hammond? maybe Laraine Newman? Tim Meadows?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:40 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think most of the original cast was any good, really. They were okay at best. The only ones I rate are Aykroyd, Curtain, and Bill Murray (who is up there with Ferrell).

Tim Meadows is the most underrated guy in the history of the show. He's a genius of deadpan deliverary, and was very versatile, but he just doesn't have a fanbase for whatever reason. I think he's brilliant, one of the best ever.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

Since it came on the air, MAD TV has been pretty much eating SNL's lunch every week, sketch for sketch. They're so much weirder, more willing to be offensive, and way less reliant on stupid "this-week's-pop-culture-reference" flailing.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago) link

Tim Meadows is the most underrated guy in the history of the show. He's a genius of deadpan deliverary, and was very versatile, but he just doesn't have a fanbase for whatever reason. I think he's brilliant, one of the best ever.

He's not well-apreaciated because, apart from a few notable exceptions (Ferrell being the biggest), the SNL "star" players are the least apropriate sketch comedians. The best sketch comedy is based around ensemble and ever since Chevy Chase got huge after the first season, the show has become more a star factory than a sucessful sketch show and it's to the point where they're hiring schmucks like Jimmy Fallon who don't even pretend to have a sense of ensemble.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago) link

Oh my god! You've got to be kidding me about Mad TV. That could seriously be the least funny show to be on tv, ever. They are in humor deficit, Phil! I saw a bit just last night, and it was appalling.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:48 (twenty years ago) link

I missed last night. What happened?

Aja (aja), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:49 (twenty years ago) link

The sketch I saw last night was basically: "Starr Jones is FAT and BLACK! HAW HAW FATTY BLACK FATTY FAT FAT! HAW HAW! SHE'S SO FAT!"

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:50 (twenty years ago) link

The Star Jones sketch (and the Mike Tyson one --- speaking of stupid pop culture gags) on Mad TV last nite were beyond terrible....I actually felt bad for Star Jones cuz the sketch was so nasty and mean and just really not funny or clever in anyway. It reminded me of some high school jocks doing a sketch about the fat girl in a high school cafeteria.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:50 (twenty years ago) link

Since it came on the air, MAD TV has been pretty much eating SNL's lunch every week, sketch for sketch. They're so much weirder, more willing to be offensive, and way less reliant on stupid "this-week's-pop-culture-reference" flailing.
-- Phil Freeman (newyorkisno...), February 22nd, 2004.

MAD TV's cast is comprised entirely of those people from high school who weren't really funny but talked loud and made fart noises so they won "class clown" at the end of the year. That, and they always bring in lame b-rate celebrities to help with sketches, and then kiss their asses.

David Allen (David Allen), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:53 (twenty years ago) link

I saw MadTV I think, two weeks ago. It was ok. But the one sketch I didn't like and didn't think was that funny was the one where they made fun of The Apprentice. It was stupid. And in the end, they ended up making fun of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory in that same sketch.

Aja (aja), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:54 (twenty years ago) link


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