― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 11 November 2005 22:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link
to provide the source texts so that I'm not badly summarizing:
People can tolerate two homosexuals they see leaving together, but if the next day they're smiling, holding hands and tenderly embracing one another, then they can't be forgiven. It is not the departure for pleasure that is intolerable, it is the waking up happy.- Michel Foucault
A happy ending was imperative. I shouldn't have bothered to write otherwise. I was determined that in fiction anyway two men should fall in love and remain in it for the ever and ever that fiction allows, and in this sense Maurice and Alec still roam the greenwood. I dedicated it 'To a Happier Year' and not al together vainly. Happiness is its keynote - which by the way . . . has made the book more difficult to publish. If it ended unhappily, with a lad dangling from a noose or with a suicide pact, all would be well . . . but the lovers get away unpunished and consequently recommend crime. - E. M. Forster
The question is one of what makes a story worth telling; a story of a happy couple who stay together without incident would be boring, and of course no one would make a film about it. But . . . the imperative that gay sex lead to death and punishment in the name of realism reifies the very problem it depicts/memorializes, and this is a strategic, political problem for how we represent gay existence. It's got nothing to do with whether Annie Proulx's story is well written and moving (which it certainly is in my opinion).
― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 11 November 2005 23:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 12 November 2005 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 12 November 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 12 November 2005 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 November 2005 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link
Ultimately, Brokeback Mountain is an anachronism. After one furtive night on the mountain, Jake and Heath are able to analyze their nascent relationship through an early 21st century lens, as though they’d had the benefit of six seasons of Will & Grace behind them.
― EComplex (EComplex), Saturday, 12 November 2005 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 12 November 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― EComplex (EComplex), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link
A lot of this films are awful, but all of them feature a great Keaton performance.
(And I haven't even mentioned her Kay in The Godfather series)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 12 November 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 17 November 2005 09:32 (eighteen years ago) link
http://towleroad.typepad.com/towleroad/2005/11/gyllenhaal_in_d.html
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 November 2005 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 17 November 2005 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link
Proulx may well mitigate the course of many confused, love starved raging hearts...with 68 small pages (large typeset). Amazing. The book/movie underlines,capitalizes and italycizes auto-betrayal of the heart and unites its close cousins - anguish and hoplessness. This rendition of love exposes, in its tortuous lesson, the 'right key'. Timely
― Brokenot, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 04:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 05:14 (eighteen years ago) link
Queer cultural critic Gary Indiana (who can be a real ninny, but not so much here maybe) isn't thrilled...
"The case has already been made by some critics that Ang Lee's is the first 'mainstream' movie with 'A-list stars' to deal with a gay male relationship—a weird assertion, given how narrowly 'mainstream' would have to be defined for this to be true, and how small the theater audience for mainstream films, however you define them, has become, and how wholly dependent on DVD sales and rentals this putative mainstream currently is. (As far as that goes, Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger, remarkable as they are as Jack and Ennis, respectively, have been 'A-list' stars for about six months, which isn't the same thing as being Barbra Streisand or Warren Beatty.)
I'm not sure what this type of claim is supposed to signify—that Hollywood is on the cutting edge of social progress? That every other movie on this subject has been merely a "festival film" or in some other way unimportant compared to one with saturation booking in a thousand multiplexes? Or could it mean that we prefer to think we're making progress when the clock is running backwards?"
http://villagevoice.com/film/0548,indiana,70453,20.html
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (Blount Translator) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link
Jed, you know about this:
Armond White vs Gary Indiana on Christianity & Bresson
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link
and no, i didn't make it to the screening. apparently heath ledger lives off the graham l stop. i think my gf is gonna stalk him. also, after seeing this and jarhead, lisa sez jake is 100% gay. the rumor is he's dating peter saarsgaard (maggie's a beard!).
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link
Jams, you have given me too much dream fodder now... Heath & Michelle Williams lived in Cobble Hill, I thought (and old rumor is Naomi Watts usta beard for Heath).
Kyle, GI's point was that Beatty was a star for 40 years, that JG isn't the icon of 1960s/70s Warren.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link
Which is clearly bullshit. No one under the age of 45 cares about Beatty or Streisand (esp. Streisand).
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link
CHECK OUT THEM TITSCALAS
http://bestmessageboardever.com/uploads/post-524-1128176479.jpghttp://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/focus_features/brokeback_mountain/_group_photos/jake_gyllenhaal4.jpg
― IN UR BASE KILLING ALL UR DUDES (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 1 December 2005 02:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 03:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 04:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 1 December 2005 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link
Since the last time either WB or BS made a film no one except their moms knew who Jake and Heath were, you're mistaken. He's saying it's not as big a risk for them as it would've been for the other two in 1971.
It may not even prove to be the best Disney film starring Gyllenhaal.
http://www.jakegyllenhaal.info/jgallery11.jpg
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link
Except he says nothing about 1971 or 'back in the day.' He says they've been stars for "six months" - which means they can't be cultural figures of Beatty and Streisand's magnitude.
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link
That he's an old fogey may just underscore the fact that he's out of touch. No one cares about Beatty or Streisand. They could play gay grandparents all day long and no one would care - 'cuz no one will see them.
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link
How many big grossers have centered on JG or HL? None (Jarheadis doing OK).
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link
Now, Morbs, you're right that neither Gyllenhaal or Ledger have single-handedly carried a box-office smash (unless A Knight's Tale counts, which it probably shouldn't) -- but I'd argue that both are very much A-list stars. (And I bet lots of people went to see The Patriot and Day After Tomorrow because of Heath and Jake, respectively.)
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link
The argument seems to take hold if you want to take on Warren Beatty tho, I mean I'm not really sure why he was Indiana's example.
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link