Peanuts: Search and Destroy

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Brr. Mutts always pissed me off, I freely admit. Not so much its tweeness as its...well, hard to say, but they were so relentlessly UNFUNNY, at least when I bothered to pay attention when everyone was saying how great it was. DB argues that that's the point, I realize, but I just saw these grim jokes that wouldn't pass for Highlights.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

ned are you one of those chuckleheads who always assume the comics needs to be funny?

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 01:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

You ask me, a Peanuts fan, this.

Let me specify -- when humor was attempted, it was of the cheese variety. When soppiness was attempted, it made me want to pound walls down. When prompted to appreciate how wossname knows his comic artists of the past, I reflect on how The Boondocks looks like the first honestly modern strip in years. Etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 01:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Calvin & Hobbes is the greatest strip EVAH- I want to be Hobbes when I grow up. Actually, I love them so much that I swiped one of their comic strip lines for my server's 404 page; it's the geek way of showing appreciation for their humor.

lyra (lyra), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 01:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Peanuts
June 10, 1997

One panel. Linus, Charlie, and Snoopy are lounging in A Forest. Linus & Charlie lean against a tree, Snoopy against a rock.

Linus: "I hear you've decided no to go to summer camp after all..."

Charlie: "When you have a dog, you should stay home, and make your dog happy ... that's what you should do ... you should stay home..."

Snoopy: "Except for those obviously necessary short trips in to buy dog food..."

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 02:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Read this every week:

http://www.citypaper.com/archives/funny.html

As for y'all's Zippy bashing: Interweb mentalists! Interweb mentalists! Interweb mentalists!

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 07:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can't think of an American comic strip, other than Peanuts and Calvin & Hobbes, in the last several decades that I think is terrifically good - the '20s and '30s seemed to produce countless masterpieces, but the last 50 years has been very poor. I've not seen Mutts, but the fact that the image posted has a couple of Herriman references makes me interested.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 16:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

please explain this joke to me

http://www.deeptrancenow.com/images/marmaduke.jpg

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 17:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark S might be the only person in the world who reads Marmaduke. (Doesn't he want to hypnotise the dog into doing something - ie waking up. Typing it out like that does make this explanation sound absurd....)

Martin S - I'd say that the first ten years or so of Johnny Hart's BC are v. underrated; Mort Walker sustained a pretty gd standard on 'Beetle Bailey' for many years; and I love the drawing style of Dik Browne on 'Hagar' and 'Hi and Lois' - crosshatching to rival Crumb's. These are just off the top of my head, but my point is that 'Peanuts' is obv. a work of genius, but it wasn't THAT much better than many of its peers in the post-war gag strip stakes, at least for the first ten or so years of its run...

Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 17:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

I once saw a 'Wizard of Id' original where new dialogue balloons had been pasted over an old strip - you got two gags for the price of one if you bought the artwork, but talk abt yr cynical recycling...

Ernie Bushmiller's Nancy is indeed a rare and beautiful thing. As is 'Barnaby' by Crockett Johnson, Bill Watterson's main source for 'Calvin and Hobbes'.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 17:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

What's not funny about this?

http://home.att.net/~k-doyle/Cats/mutts.jpg

besides anything, I mean. but it's so cute!

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 19:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.interestingideas.com/ii/pix/nanart3.gif

There. Now even Marmaduke seems hilarious.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 19:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

god ernie bushmiller was a fucking genius.

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 19:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark S, book is a book on dog training, owner wants to learn to train dog not to sleep on sofa (difficult thing to do- I've given up on mine) - and thinks hypnosis is the only way to do it b/c dog won't listen otherwise? That's just a guess.

Felicity, your cartoon is awesome.

lyra (lyra), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 19:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Some good examples there, especially from Andrew, and I like most of the strips that have been mentioned, but I still think there is a substantial gap in standard between those and Schulz or Watterson. A much bigger gap that that between Herriman and Segar pre-WWII and the next best - Crane, Sterrett, Caniff, Capp, Sickles et al. Some might put any of those five ahead of my top two - I don't think that is true of Walker and Bushmiller - who are my two favourites of those proposed, cartoons I have collections of.

Is that a Bushmiller Nancy? He died in '82, but he was only "supervising" the strip from about '78 or '79. Willie Johnson did the dailies and ex-Superman artist Al Plastino did the Sundays. I really like EB's late Nancy strips, when it was so stunningly codified that there were rumours he used rubber stamps to produce the strip.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 20:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is that a Bushmiller Nancy?

good question, Martin. I thought so, although I can't read the date there. It's from here.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 20:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

date = 1961?

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 20:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree. Isn't it weird how the lettering in older comics has that strange old-fashioned look to it?

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 20:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I thought it read 1981, Mark. You might be right though. I am not claiming that I can tell whether it's Bushmiller or not - I don't think his art style was hard to imitate.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 21:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Martin, have you read Boondocks?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 21:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Non Sequitur (which is the poor man's The Far Side)

and the Dinette Set is the poor man's Non Sequitur

I do like Boondocks.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 21:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Boondocks (or at least the week-behind run on the ucomics website) is in another lacklustre Flagee and Ribbon patch, Dan, so shush and ask him again when it finishes. :)

I am having a spectacularly bad hair day here, if Jazmine could see me now then it'd definitely change her preconceptions of European hair.

Rebecca (reb), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 22:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Now then, now then! *waves imaginary cigar around*
Must learn to construct proper sentences. Sigh.

Rebecca (reb), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 22:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, I've not seen Boondocks. The British press isn't like the US press, where the top strips are very widely syndicated and appear nearly everywhere. We have about ten national papers, and there is no strip overlap. My paper, The Guardian runs two, Doonesbury and what is something like a much more violent British parallel called If... (three dots, unlike the movie!). I don't know if Boondocks has appeared in any Brit paper. Can anyone give me a URL so I can see some?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 22:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Boondocks strips

Boondocks site

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 22:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes (thanks felicity) but also remember that the Flagee and Ribbon strips are as far as I'm concerned not as good as the normal character strips. Just an opinion, though, and mine at that.

Rebecca (reb), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 23:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah, they're not supposed to be. Flagee and Ribbon are the O'Reilly Factor scabs (see 9/21/02)

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 25 September 2002 23:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

just need to add: judging Peanuts on the past decade-plus and/or the merch is like judging Chuck Berry on his post-'60s stuff.

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 26 September 2002 02:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
yo

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 9 December 2002 05:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

nine months pass...
Fantagraphics has just announced plans to reprint the Complete Peanuts, in order, from the beginning. First volume's due in April 2004.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 27 September 2003 01:17 (twenty years ago) link

and this makes me happier than anything I've heard all week.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 27 September 2003 01:18 (twenty years ago) link

wish i had a scanner, but this peanuts I actually had to cut out and save:

Panel 1:
Charlie Brown, awake in bed, staring at ceiling, snoopy sleeping draped over CB's feet: "Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, can my generation look to the future with hope?"

Panel 2:
Charlie Brown, lying on side with very worried expression, and snoopy is now awake with identical furrowed brow:
"Then, out of the dark, a voice comes to me that says, 'Why, sure... well, I mean... that is... it sort of depends... I mean... if... when... who... we... and..."

October 23, 1995

most of them were bad, but every once in a while... pow.

(Jon L), Saturday, 27 September 2003 04:05 (twenty years ago) link

Older peanuts + the TV stuff = classic.

Only things I could give 2 seconds to these days is Mutts and Get Fuzzy.

sucka (sucka), Saturday, 27 September 2003 04:16 (twenty years ago) link

WHAT? WHAT? HOLY FUCKING SHIT. THAT IS UNBELIEVABLE.

A press release about this wondrous event.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 27 September 2003 14:23 (twenty years ago) link

It's weird, why didn't I react the way Mike did when I read that earlier! I think I was feeling more a sense of quiet satisfaction and approval. :-) I was just looking at some of my old and very worn small paperbacks the other day...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 27 September 2003 14:32 (twenty years ago) link

I hope this is enough of a cash cow to give Fantagraphics the freedom to reprint all sorts of other classic comics (not to say that I'm not superexcited by this).

Chris P (Chris P), Saturday, 27 September 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

One thing that's amazing about it is the fact that something like 15% of all the Peanuts strips have never been reprinted. He wasn't very fond of his early work, and IIRC there hasn't been a "book of record" covering the 1950-1952 period in any methodical fashion since the very first reprint book went out of print back in the sixties.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 27 September 2003 16:00 (twenty years ago) link

He = Sparky in the above post.

Re-reading the article above, I see that it says over 50% of the first volume consists of stuff that's never been reprinted.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 27 September 2003 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

Which is something of a sticky wicket re: authorial intent, of course...

Chris P (Chris P), Saturday, 27 September 2003 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

I figure it's part of the public domain, it WAS published after all. And just about any comic writer will agree that it can usually take time to fully hit one's stride (Bill Watterson in the ten-year-anniversary Calvin and Hobbes book makes a variety of notes about characters and approaches in early days he didn't pursue later on -- in a parallel case, see also, as I'm sure you two will appreciate, the evolution of MST3K from KTMA to, say, third season).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 27 September 2003 17:05 (twenty years ago) link

Well, that's an unusual use of the phrase "public domain", but yes. I mean, especially if it's clear to the reader that this is stuff the creator was trying to supress, then it seems OK, especially now that Peanuts is caught between being history and art.

Chris P (Chris P), Saturday, 27 September 2003 17:39 (twenty years ago) link

And, I mean, Schulz must have known that these strips would be collected and published within a few years of his death -- and hopefully he was OK with it. (I should reread that huge interview in the Comics Journal a few years before he died.)

Chris P (Chris P), Saturday, 27 September 2003 17:40 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
http://www.fantagraphics.com/peanuts/cp_vol1.jpg

Sssexy!

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 19 December 2003 21:48 (twenty years ago) link

Ooh, I must have this.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 19 December 2003 21:49 (twenty years ago) link

Hella.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 19 December 2003 22:14 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
If you've pre-ordered The Complete Peanuts: 1950-1952 like I have, they'll be shipping it out tomorrow. Meanwhile, Amazon is already taking pre-orders for this, due out in October:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1560976144.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 08:00 (twenty years ago) link

I am a happy man. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 13:19 (twenty years ago) link

This makes me exceedingly happy. For years, I carried a well-worn listing of Peanuts books in my wallet to keep track of what I had and didn't should I find myself in a used bookstore. The Peanuts bibliography has been byzantine and completely nonsensical for years -- it'll be wonderful to have everything -- even the sad '90s shaky-handed decline. Though it's a ten-year project or something, right?

I went to the Schulz museum in Santa Rosa last year and it just busted me in two in a wonderful way.

m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

fckng holy WOW! a series of complete peanuts books?!!!
when did these begin? actually, when did it officially
jump the shark? are they going year by year for, like, 30 books?!

sorry i'm british. no-one i know would give a sh-t over here.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 30 March 2004 15:54 (twenty years ago) link

*swwwwwwooooooonnnnnnnn*

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago) link


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