Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

its something of a step forward to define as terrorism and not lone wolf activity, but I wonder if we would better calling it White Nationalist terrorism or White Supremacist terrorism rather than 'Far Right' terrorism (in light of "well actually the nazi's were far left' takes).

I take your point, but it risks downplaying the right's responsibility.

Donb't think Anvil wrote this in response to the Utrecht shooting (?), but anyway: suspect has been apprehended, motive seems as of yet unclear but more and more seems to be a 'personal' matter (the shooter aimed at his ex-gf, supposedly). They're not ruling out "terrorism", but it's increasingly looking like that is not the case.

ty

It’s never a bad time to point out that VAWG is a marker of potential terrorists.

LBI, yes sorry was not in response to Utrecht

I'd just been thinking about this categorization of white nationalist terror as far right, and whether its too abstract and less descriptive, leading to false equivalency ('far right violence, far left violence, what even is right wing anyay' obfuscation).

I also don't really know, to what level a large section of people even know what left and right even is. I went for work drinks recently, and someone shocked me by saying they were embarrassed to admit they didn't know what left and right wing is. This wasn't a stupid person by any means either, she just lacked the terminology. I think we can really underestimate peoples lack of education, and how abstract seemingly obvious terminology can be to many people. Terms like left and right were meaningless to this person, even though she instinctively understood. How easily labels can be used and misused if public doesnt necessarily grasp - which is the game the 'actually the nazis were left wing' people are playing. the rights ability to play around with this stuff was always something they were unable to do, until recently, theyve got a lot better at this, and fast

i suspect that the farther we get from WWII and the cold war (that is, the farther individuals get from appreciating those reference points reflexively) the less they might be able to clearly grasp the left/right distinction as one of ideology and not just a series of identity markers.

On first hearing it seemed weird she didn't know the distinction (and she thought so too and was embarrassed), but my own perception of it is actually resting on answers to certain questions and the questions are changing. When I think of 'a conservative' in 2019, thats a different person to who I might of thought as 'a conservative' in 2013 (I guess I would think of conservatives today closer to the conservatives of the 1700s, and in 2013 I'd have thought of a conservative as closer to a whig - wrong thread to get into that, but I don't know if there's shared conceptions of what left and right mean - and framing white terrorism as far right might not work if the term 'far right' is being divested of meaning, or there is less of a sense of what that actually is)

i tend to think that they've outlived and out-extremed the label "conservative" and i make a habit of just subbing in the word "fascist" when i'm inclined to use the word "conservative" (at least when i'm referring to the contemporary GOP and their fellow travelers)

Not a spree shooting but...

just a bunch of sheriffs shooting teachers with airsoft guns as a "training drill":

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/21/active-shooter-training-for-schools-teachers-shot-with-plastic-pellets/3231103002/

Second suicide of a victim confirmed:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article228350134.html

Fucking hell.

This is NOT a spree shooting but it's just...really upsetting.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/04/07/shots-fired-outside-hawthorne-police-department/?fbclid=IwAR0_wBL5LyBj-xKO-4H5YKfuHNvV-w9fDfRMhCBsPyNV1uwZKHECMAPl_e8#.XK054X_RT28.facebook

You'd think all those "good guys with guns" just a few steps away would have stopped the "bad guy with a gun", just like the NRA keeps promising us will happen any day now.

we've been "lucky" lately with two mass shootings and one possible attack stopped. the one in San Diego and the other in North Carolina would have been a lot worse if it wasn't for a jammed gun and a couple of quick-thinking people. The one in Long Beach and/or Santa Monica, who knows what would have occurred.

This is going to come off as terrible but I'm not even sure which shootings you're referring to... Is this the numbing dread of violence/murder fatigue?

yes?

tough to keep up with shootings in american media -- if it didn't kill half a dozen or wasn't in a house of worship, it's back-page stuff

it really requires an international news source to point out how fucking insane it all is

There’s been a school shooting at a middle school thats a mile and a half from my daughter’s middle school, and I’m sitting in a line of traffic waiting to pick up my kid, because that’s what all the texts are ordering me to do. This is America.

To be clear, it was not at her school, and she texted me herself, so I know she’s fine. But the guns gotta go I’m up for taking them away by any means.

it just takes leadership. these nuts respect strength. it's like smoking in restaurants and leaving dog shit on the sidewalk. it's just selfish destructive behaviour that no one will miss. you punish the shit out of it and everyone wonders how it was ever otherwise.

My other kid is friends with an 8th grader at that STEM and my kid txted him during this to check on him. that kid called my son back from the scene and advised him glass was everywhere etc wtf. everyone here is !!!

god that's terrible!

Man. My older daughter just told me about this, and at this point I'm not sure I know what to tell her.

Damn. Good luck to you and your daughter.

thx- it’s weird i still know nothing beyond “my kids have contacts/friends,” i’ve not turned on the news.

the first i even heard of it was from a western slope buddy who called to ask if we were ok, and almost immed began the deluge of “perimeter secure transportation” advisory txts and emails.

so the shooter(s) this time are misfits; seems like the first time people I'd otherwise stan for (car spraypainted with "fuck society", dyed hair, victims of bullying, etc) were perpetrators in quite some time.

i turned on the news right after my prev post it pissed me off and depressed me so much- i almost posted but i couldnt, its too hard. i know all the places they were shooting vids from. my kids say they are scared its just all too much. A close friend whose even MUCH nearer the site than i did the FB “let’s get help for sick ppl” shit with NOT ONE MENTION OF GUNS ISSUE and i nearly did a heaping shitpost on her feed. on my good friend who’s very smart and fully aware- so i dont know why she chose that disgusting pose but whatever. NB yes but this is not primarily a mental health issue imo.

fuck.

spouse is talking about moving, we’ve seen plenty.

i didn't realize that columbine, aurora, and yesterday's location were all so close together.

that is heartbreaking and awful

partner treated aurora victims. we’ve been here for all. Also this like 4 or 5 mi away, my daughter wants to go there tho not our reg HS:
https://www-m.cnn.com/2013/12/14/us/colorado-school-shooting/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

i hear “stop bullying and treat saddoes” and im like “how bout SADDOES ARE MY PPL AND BULLYING SUCKS BUT FUCK YOU FUCKER END GUNS END GUNS END GUNS!!!”

working from home and living one block from our kid's school, i often have the thought "how fast could i run there if i ever heard shooting?"

and again this is another incident that probably isn't nearly as big a deal as it should be; the third time in the past month there's been a shooting that could have been much, much more devastating except for some mitigating factors.

Hell of a high bar. https://t.co/Lk9Jz8aL4g

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) May 12, 2019

eh we like to have the law ready for when its needed as opposed to always be writing it in real time, kind a thing

oh no

BREAKING: Police say 11 people killed in shooting at Virginia Beach municipal center; suspect is dead.

— The Associated Press (@AP) May 31, 2019

VIRGINIA BEACH POLICE CHIEF JIM CERVERA:
-11 dead
- 6 injured, including officer
-Suspect is dead. Suspected shooter believed to be a disgruntled employee.

WATCH LIVE: https://t.co/OAeDAB0Ucn #VBActiveShooter

— WAVY TV 10 (@WAVY_News) May 31, 2019

this is a fucking insane country

the frightening fact for me is almost less the ones that have occurred but the fact that there are many being planned right now.

At this point there is going to be a mass shooting happening in everyone's hometown, current town, alma mater, etc etc. This is my hometown; they love their guns.

I'd rather die in a mass shooting than starve to death in a climate-change-driven famine

Climate change driven famines lead to war and violence, so that will still probably get you first.

this is a fucking insane country

― omar little, Friday, May 31, 2019 4:19 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what do you mean? you must not LOVE FREEDOM.

disgruntled

who the fuck decided that this was the style choice here, its now the accepted descriptor in these circs, right?

the type of jarring use of language that can horrify even after the events themselves become accepted norm

xxp Yerac OTM

disgruntled ... who the fuck decided that this was the style choice here

News writers in general, but especially headline writers, opt for the clichéd descriptor for the simple reason that clichés are a lazy shorthand for what they want to say. it's the inverse of careful, considered and nuanced communication. more like emotive grunts and gestures, disguised as words. "disgruntled" now encapsulates "homicidally unbalanced person caught in a whirlpool of unreasoning rage" in one bite-sized, easily-assimilated stupidity.

Clichéd descriptors make sense when there is a flood of similar events, apparently with no limit on the horrors inflicted. But, yeah, it's a careless gloss on what happened.

Meanwhile, FUCK this overheating, miserable, heartless world. So much good, too much bad.

chris hayes did like 20 mins on fine non-details ("non" because they were mostly hypothetical inferences or possibilities) of this incident, i.e. not on "the topic of gun violence. i didn't listen to it because after like 3 minutes i a) couldn't imagine learning anything that is informative or useful b) wanted to beat the living shit out whoever is making that show who thinks 20 mins of that is anything good and c) couldn't deal. neither news nor commentary, just "this is fucking terrible can't you just FEEL THE AWFULNESS."

There's a sacrificial logic to it. Knowing that some people – always other people, by default – need to die for you to be able to take badass pics of yourself carrying heavy artillery in semi-military garb makes you feel like a big man. Life is serious because we must all die, and you understand that, unlike those libcuck Carebears who would also have us get rid of capital punishment altogether.

chris hayes did like 20 mins on fine non-details ("non" because they were mostly hypothetical inferences or possibilities) of this incident, i.e. not on "the topic of gun violence. i didn't listen to it because after like 3 minutes i a) couldn't imagine learning anything that is informative or useful b) wanted to beat the living shit out whoever is making that show who thinks 20 mins of that is anything good and c) couldn't deal. neither news nor commentary, just "this is fucking terrible can't you just FEEL THE AWFULNESS."

― Hunt3r, Saturday, June 1, 2019 2:11 PM

actually, he has done episodes on gun violence and the history of Second Amendment interpretation.

yup, i know, and i generally really like and respect his stuff. i was surprised he would do it like that. maybe part of my annoyance is my disappointment in his participation, which is a pretty immature reaction by me, i suppose.

his interview in maybe december with the author of the history and role of conflict and physical violence in Congress, on his podcast, was so great. the historian has been interviewed now elsewhere/everywhere, but i enjoyed his inquiries and angles the most by far. I still need to get that book....