what's cooking? part 5: 2017-2027

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Thx! I think that was the first one I looked at last week. Will circle back to that.

The immortal Hydra Viridisimma (outdoor_miner), Friday, 15 March 2019 14:41 (five years ago) link

hi dere I once made 250,000 bagels in around 3 years

we cooked 'em on wooden boards covered with strips of damp burlap

yes to barley malt

no to vital wheat gluten

if by "sponge" you mean mix yeast w/warm water and let it bubble before adding to mixer, then yes

definitely let rise for a good while, at least 8 hours? it's been almost 30 years, sorry.

imo the key step is the boiling, get that water hot

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 15 March 2019 14:43 (five years ago) link

oh and cornmeal on the bottom before they go into the oven on the wet boards

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 15 March 2019 15:06 (five years ago) link

Woah! Am I crazy or is that a lot of bagels?! One of the vids I saw was a guy with burlap covered planks. I'm sitting there watching thinking "you have got to be fucking kidding. He also started baking them upside-down so as to not burn seeds and flipped them after a bit. Sponge I was referring to was a little different than simple hydration. Think it involves flour, too,and time to develop some sour notes? Anyways, thx for input, sleeve.

The immortal Hydra Viridisimma (outdoor_miner), Friday, 15 March 2019 17:51 (five years ago) link

oh man I forgot about the flip halfway through! that is correct.

I either made/rolled or baked like 1000 a day fulltime for >3 years, so yeah a lot :)

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 15 March 2019 18:03 (five years ago) link

now that I think about it that number is probably closer to 750,000 - like I said, it's been a long time

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 15 March 2019 18:05 (five years ago) link

the wet burlap prevents the seeds from sticking on that side, iirc

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 15 March 2019 18:06 (five years ago) link

ok, might as well post in proper thread. will make some adjustments wrt the cooking process next time. but was a reasonable facsimile to a actual bagel once i toasted one just now. not as daunting a project as i anticipated.
https://i.imgur.com/0djkhTs.jpg

The immortal Hydra Viridisimma (outdoor_miner), Saturday, 16 March 2019 15:05 (five years ago) link

did you use the CI recipe?

call all destroyer, Saturday, 16 March 2019 15:16 (five years ago) link

i get paywalled trying to look at CI recipes so got annoyed and went with the ATK one i had originally looked at. dough recipe *seems* spot on - had a perfect texture to work with and fair amount of salt. as far a shaping i sort of diy'd it. maybe i'll use neighbor's outdoor pizza oven next time and cook them directly on stone. i think that might give a marked improvement to get exterior crispy

The immortal Hydra Viridisimma (outdoor_miner), Saturday, 16 March 2019 15:27 (five years ago) link

those look great!

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Saturday, 16 March 2019 16:02 (five years ago) link

lol, thx. i think i'll get it down after another 249,000? glad i finally started this though as i don't live anywhere near a good bage rn

The immortal Hydra Viridisimma (outdoor_miner), Saturday, 16 March 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link

Yeah, those look totally on point.

I got the French Laundry book checked out through amazon prime and am going to make their gazpacho today going into tomorrow (since they say macerating the ingredients overnight is key). I could not find tomato juice or tomato paste or kosher salt in the supermarket (sigh) so had to get the nearest thing to those. It's a good thing I always bring back so much fleur de sel and maldon into the country.

Yerac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 16:33 (five years ago) link

The gazpacho was superb. Letting the veggies and other ingredients macerate overnight before blending just really really did it right.

Yerac, Sunday, 17 March 2019 20:25 (five years ago) link

so what did you sub for tom. juice? was looking at that recipe and (of course) it looks nice. seems like it doesn't call for v much actual tomatoes which surprised me, but probably allows all the veg. equal flavortime?

The immortal Hydra Viridisimma (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 17 March 2019 23:47 (five years ago) link

I was surprised about how simple the recipe was and how little actual whole tomatoes. I always assumed gazpacho had bread in it too. I got some tomato puree in a glass bottle and some tomato paste like thing in a can (I had always gotten it in a tube so was not sure I had tomato paste). Since i was concerned about it being too thick I just put twice the amount of cucumber in and then a little water after blending and eyeing it. I like it super smooth and my spouse likes it rustic so we went halfway. Also we ate half today for lunch and for that batch we put in like an inch of ginger (for health benefits) just to test out the taste. You couldn't even taste the ginger but maybe it gave it an extra spiciness? And I couldn't find cayenne so used indian red chili powder.And didn't do the balsamic reduction dots but put thinly sliced avocado and cilantro on top. I forgot that I had bought chives for it as well. Gazpacho is one of the only soups I like and I give the recipe an A+.

Yerac, Monday, 18 March 2019 00:33 (five years ago) link

Like it was so good and easy, I want to serve it to people who come to our place.

Yerac, Monday, 18 March 2019 00:35 (five years ago) link

on a similar front, tonight i made the chicken bouillabaisse recipe in the zuni cafe cookbook. that book is almost alchemical as far as having extremely simple preparations that taste amazing. in this one, you sweat some sliced onion, add thyme, bay, and a dried chile and boil off a little white wine, then add garlic, saffron, and diced tomato along with some broth and some chicken legs. cook for an hour (i threw it in a low oven for about half the time b/c the liquid level wasn't high enough for me to feel confident in a stovetop braise).

the next bit of magic was the recommended plating--a chicken leg, some of the cooking liquid, and a piece of grilled bread smeared with aioli. i had never done a mayonnaise-like thing in a mortar and pestle before. it was fun!

call all destroyer, Monday, 18 March 2019 02:10 (five years ago) link

i am making skyr
i am also working on a sourdough starter
i may use the whey from the skyr to start some vegetable pickles

forensic plumber (harbl), Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:54 (five years ago) link

it's the circle of life

forensic plumber (harbl), Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:55 (five years ago) link

I don't generally like soups or stews, but since the gazpacho I made was so good, I am going to make that spinach/tahini soup from the NYT this week.

Yerac, Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:56 (five years ago) link

And as usually I will have to sub things. We never have veg stock so I might just use some of the carmelized onions, that TJ's mushroom umami powder or a little miso after.

Yerac, Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:58 (five years ago) link

i'm not a soup fan either. i made a mexican chicken and cabbage soup this week that was quite good though.

forensic plumber (harbl), Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:59 (five years ago) link

last night i made some sous vide elk backstrap w/"spicy" kale and satueed porcini

it were good

gbx, Thursday, 21 March 2019 19:53 (five years ago) link

first time cooking something sous vide for ~24hrs and man it really works

gbx, Thursday, 21 March 2019 19:53 (five years ago) link

that sounds really good. but there's an image in my hatebank of Ted Nugent holding a ridiculous bow and saying something about "backstraps" in his episode of Mtv Cribs.

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 21 March 2019 20:08 (five years ago) link

I feel like using the phrase "sous vide" in the presence of The Nuge would cause him to melt like a witch.

joygoat, Thursday, 21 March 2019 20:53 (five years ago) link

gbx that sounds awesome. what is your apparatus?

i left my cat a half cup of whey near her food to see if she'd like it. she walked by and gave it an aggressive sweep like she was cleaning her litter box. she does that when she's done eating food too but this was like, angry.

forensic plumber (harbl), Friday, 22 March 2019 14:36 (five years ago) link

I think I am finally going to use this stupid spiralizer that I have taken with me to four different countries and never used. All those poor zucchinis that were never spiraled. Albatross.

Yerac, Friday, 22 March 2019 16:07 (five years ago) link

Haha my sister randomly bought one of those a couple years ago and it has never been used. I was looking at it one day thinking about putting it to use but then I laid down and the feeling went away

The immortal Hydra Viridisimma (outdoor_miner), Friday, 22 March 2019 16:28 (five years ago) link

I have two largish trips coming up this year so I am trying to forcefeed myself as many vegetables as possible before then (thus the spinach soup and gazpacho above).

Yerac, Friday, 22 March 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link

Last weekend when I made my quinoa bowl for the week, I did the French Laundry recommendation of blanching veggies in a huge pot of salted water. I did two heads of broccoli that I used in the quinoa. It was so much better, bright green and still crisp and slightly seasoned already.

Yerac, Friday, 22 March 2019 16:37 (five years ago) link

haha i huff vegetables before traveling too :) spinach in particular!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 22 March 2019 18:16 (five years ago) link

gbx that sounds awesome. what is your apparatus?


https://imgur.com/a/nHL06j9

it was really good

I have a first (?) gen anova, kinda want to get a joule but I very rarely eat meat at home these days, a friend just happened to gift me some elk

gbx, Friday, 22 March 2019 18:32 (five years ago) link

that looks wellperfectly done

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 22 March 2019 18:42 (five years ago) link

looks outstanding

call all destroyer, Friday, 22 March 2019 18:42 (five years ago) link

thx yall

sous vide really is magic. one of the best things i have ever eaten, let alone prepared myself, was sous vide rack of lamb from a friend's farm. absolutely incredible, and pretty foolproof. tend to shy away from farmed animals these days, but the success i had with that elk is making me think about pulling some tags next year. apparently antelope is delicious??

gbx, Friday, 22 March 2019 18:51 (five years ago) link

i got mr veg an anova nano for christmas
works amazingly well. steaks turn out so amazingky delicious! everything so far has been vv good.

sidebar: our original anova nano went off-balance & started making a deafening highpitched noise about a month after we got it. got a replacement from the manufacturer, hoping it doesnt crap out. if it does i guess we’ll invest in the higher-level model that can be more easily repaired. nano is completely enclosed & can’t be opened up for repairs without breaking the casing :/

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 March 2019 20:02 (five years ago) link

I’m looking forward to moving into a new place and having a kitchen with enough space for a few more gizmos. Sousvide iis definitely on the list. I’m pretty sure your method would adapt to kangaroo.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 22 March 2019 20:03 (five years ago) link

is there any way around single use plastic when sous vide-ing? either way i would love to play around w/ eggs, scallops and fishies with that method. one of these days. . .

The immortal Hydra Viridisimma (outdoor_miner), Friday, 22 March 2019 22:07 (five years ago) link

There's silicone pouches out there I think but I've not used them before

gbx, Friday, 22 March 2019 22:12 (five years ago) link

sous vide eggs are overrated, I'd guess, because you might want the whites to cook more than the yolk, i.e. a temperature gradient to the center can be a good thing for them. And if you are patient, you can do the momofuku slow-poached eggs with a thermometer and your usual pot+burner setup. https://www.vietworldkitchen.com/blog/2009/11/momofuku-slowpoached-eggs-recipe.html

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 22 March 2019 22:20 (five years ago) link

experimenting with slow poaching temperature and time is a fun side project while reading a book

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 22 March 2019 22:22 (five years ago) link

I can report that silicone pouches are good replacements for ziplocks in othe situation but don’t you want a vacuum pouch for sousvide?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 22 March 2019 23:03 (five years ago) link

If you can approximate a vacuum seal by slowly submersing the bag in water it ought to work. I have a sealer and still have used ziplocs most of the time because I'm just that lazy

gbx, Friday, 22 March 2019 23:20 (five years ago) link

you can just drop eggs in the water bath.

my vacuum sealer uses bags that are good for 12 uses although it is currently leaving a puncture in the bag so i’m not going to recommend it per se.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 23 March 2019 01:38 (five years ago) link

just pureed French Laundry recipe gazpacho and holy **ck is it yum. haven't even added olive oil yet and it's fine without. i did sub sherry vin. for white wine (what was on hand and seemed reasonable), and threw in a habanero. A+ soup.
was trying to figure out why there would be a difference in overnight maceration of the ingredients this recipe calls for, versus simply pureeing the soup and then letting the flavors marry overnight - sort of seems like six of one half a dozen of the other to me, but who cares when the results are so sublime?

The immortal Hydra Viridisimma (outdoor_miner), Saturday, 23 March 2019 15:08 (five years ago) link

We are making it again this weekend too! It's so simple! We put thinly sliced jalapenos and avocado on top when serving.

Yerac, Saturday, 23 March 2019 15:10 (five years ago) link

yeah, i was def thinking avocado would be nice. simplicity of prep to deliciousness ratio is off the charts

The immortal Hydra Viridisimma (outdoor_miner), Saturday, 23 March 2019 15:14 (five years ago) link

I am going to try it without the olive oil to see if it makes a difference.

Yerac, Saturday, 23 March 2019 15:20 (five years ago) link


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