Defend The Indefensible: Jay Leno

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/03/donald-trump-jay-leno-late-night-one-sided

Meyers and Colbert do some incisive stuff now and then.

The guy who coasted on Monica Lewinsky jokes for 3 years can stfu tbh.

Eh, Leno's just spewing the same flavorless pabulum as ever. If it isn't a car, he can't get himself worked up enough to form a serviceable opinion.

I just had a moment of intense self-satisfaction wrt coining the phrase 'macciatovellian' to describe his half-engaged Tonight Show maneuverings. Feel free to use that in your late show monologue jokes.

dude who writes the A Closer Look segments for Seth Meyers is very good

foolishly clicked through to the Leno piece

And I would get hate mail from both sides equally, and I went, ‘Oh that’s fabulous. That’s exactly what I want.’

actually I WANTED everyone to hate me because my jokes were bad, I think it's extremely cool actually

But when people see you as one-sided, it just makes it tough. And plus, you know, I did it when, you know, Clinton was horny and Bush was dumb. It was just a little easier. You know, now it’s all very serious.”

yes, just imagine how hard it would have been to make the blandest possible dipshitted political jokes, if the Bush administration had ever done anything serious

trying to make a roomful of drunks laugh every night in your 20s does not necessarily develop good judgment

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/87/Collision_Course_1989_Film_Poster.jpg/220px-Collision_Course_1989_Film_Poster.jpg

I would get hate mail from both sides equally, and I went, ‘Oh that’s fabulous. That’s exactly what I want.’

https://i.imgur.com/IbmIYLi.jpg

startling trivia: Jay has a grandfather (from Naples) who was born in 1857

Just finished The War for Late Night, Bill Carter's Late Shift sequel, covering the whole Leno-Conan debacle. Not exactly timely; I found a remaindered copy, I read it.

I haven't watched any late-night for years--I'm a Carson, then Letterman guy--and it's hard to imagine any kind of late-night intrigue today causing the kind of commotion this did. I was already drifting away at the time, but I think I sort of followed all that was happening and tuned in for a couple of key shows.

The only guy who really came off as a complete jerk for me was Jimmy Kimmel. I don't know if Conan O'Brien got shafted or not...Carter situates himself about midway on that. The highlight might be Lorne Michaels looking back, near the end, on a speech given to him by old-old-school NBC guy when Michaels decided to leave SNL in 1979. It's the kind of toxically nasty show-business speech that became the foundation for Larry Sanders.

Leno, by the way, is presented very much as Elvis Telecom describes him above.

I've got that book, but have never read it. Didn't expect Kimmel to come off as a jerk, considering he was just a keenly interested third party (I like him a lot more now than I did ten, or especially twenty, years ago).

That's the thing--he was new and very much a third-party, and he decided to push himself right into the middle of everything. Someone else might see this differently, but he was invited onto Leno's failed show as a peace offering (and, true, a little self-serving manipulation by Leno), and Kimmel completely ambushed him.

I should say, the book expands out from the principals into a lot of secondary players: Kimmel, Stewart, Colbert, Ferguson, Craig Kilborn (who I'd completely forgotten), and a million executives and agents.

I sometimes forget that everything that's ever happened is on YouTube.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbvc97

I guess not quite as bad as described in the book, but Kimmel does come off as something of a publicity-seeking creep (it worked, not surprisingly).

Oh, I remember it well. I was on team anybody who was grinding Jay Leno to powder, so I guess we disagree on his level of jerkiness.

I cannot recall anything Jay Leno has ever said or done that struck me as funny. His main talent would appear to be projecting a kind of ersatz geniality that superficially resembles good humor, but he never convinces me it is genuine or heartfelt, only that it is intended to appear genuine or heartfelt. That standard seems to be good enough for the host of a late night talk show, but imo late night talk shows resemble entertainment as much as near-beer resembles an alcoholic drink.

Eh. Pre-internet and pre over saturation of the TV market, I totally understand the appeal of the format. Being awake late at night is lonely. Conan got me through some shit in my late teens.

Jay always seemed totally disingenuous to me. Ruthlessly driven dude and by all accounts a machine from the early stand up days and forward, but the mask never drops. He creeps me out.

startling trivia: Jay has a grandfather (from Naples) who was born in 1857

Still?

great-grandfather from what I see.

The fact that his mother is from Greenock is more startling to me.

Could've sworn he said regular grandfather since he was making a point about men in his family having kids late in life, but if not I stand corrected

That's the thing--he was new and very much a third-party, and he decided to push himself right into the middle of everything. Someone else might see this differently, but he was invited onto Leno's failed show as a peace offering (and, true, a little self-serving manipulation by Leno), and Kimmel completely ambushed him.

― clemenza, Sunday, October 13, 2019 5:20 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Jay wanted a chummy "welp, gee-whiz, we're all in this wacky show business together! Whaddya gonna do?" segment -- because taking back a show you left on your own terms (as he claimed at the time) because your new show is tanking is just how showbiz goes! -- and Kimmel wasn't entirely a third-party:

According to Kimmel, Leno had some years prior been in serious discussions with ABC about the possibility of jumping ship from NBC. During this period, Leno initiated a friendship with Kimmel, wanting to ensure that they would be on good terms if the move was made. (Under that scenario, Leno would have taken Kimmel's time slot and become his lead-in.) However, after Leno made the arrangement to remain at NBC, "those conversations were gone," according to Kimmel. Realizing that Leno's relationship with him had been artificial, Kimmel felt "worked over," reasoning that Leno was using the ABC discussions as a bargaining tactic to try to get his old job back.[166]

What reason could Kimmel possibly have for going along with a smug, smirky, shruggy-ass bullshit comedy bit like that?

(fwiw, I never liked Kimmel, nor ever found him the least bit funny, but compared to Leno, he's Richard Pryor)

Remember when?

Movie characters watching Jay Leno talk about what is happening in the movie pic.twitter.com/fWpOeOLSm5

— Buck LePard (@BuckLePard) August 5, 2020

all of those were barely jokes

https://news.sky.com/story/jay-leno-seriously-burned-after-his-car-bursts-into-flames-12747744

just to get to the main thing i want to know and i'm assuming others want to know

"I got some serious burns from a gasoline fire. I am OK. Just need a week or two to get back on my feet," he said in a statement to Sky News partner, NBC News.

Conan was playing the long game

wonder which of his cars caught on fire. i feel like with the way every disaster is converging on one thing right now it should be a tesla

https://i.imgur.com/IH5PinF.jpg

here's sumfin