What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

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if we're talking GHG emissions per cap this is mostly not true

Also not true if we're talking about historical gross GHG emissions.

Gaseous Clay (Leee), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link

Ilhan Omar on the difference between Obama & Trump: "One is human, the other is not"

starting to think she may actually be better than AOC

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:49 (five years ago) link

why are we still ranking them?

why is this still a thread?

why do i have it bookmarked?

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:53 (five years ago) link

Eh, attempts at expelling awfulness from the human race are kind of annoying. Trump is one of us and a lot of us – most of us – are shit.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:54 (five years ago) link

I accidentally bookmark threads all the time somehow

brimstead, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:54 (five years ago) link

Saw this on Kottke:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU-SE5eNt04

We should not be haunted by the specter of being automated out of work. We should not feel nervous about the toll booth collector not having to collect tolls anymore. We should be excited by that. But the reason we’re not excited by it is because we live in a society where if you don’t have a job, you are left to die. And that is, at its core, our problem.

Then she went on to say:

We should be excited about automation, because what it could potentially mean is more time educating ourselves, more time creating art, more time investing in and investigating the sciences, more time focused on invention, more time going to space, more time enjoying the world that we live in. Because not all creativity needs to be bonded by wage.

<3

DJI, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:56 (five years ago) link

^^^ xs a 1000. I don't work a traditional wage/salary job all the time (by choice). Most jobs are meaningless, playacting wastes of time and should be automated or streamlined.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:02 (five years ago) link

Seems like common sense to me, but the sheer amount of sadomasochists who disagree will fuck it all up for the rest of us.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:05 (five years ago) link

It's all the people who don't know how to handle free time that isn't dictated out to them.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link

It's fucking Puritanism!

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:10 (five years ago) link

slash people whose entire concept of human worthiness it tied up in work for work's sake xp

Simon H., Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:11 (five years ago) link

If we had a universal income I would be more than happy to never take another nice job away from a mediocre white man ever again.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:13 (five years ago) link

what if trump was one of us

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:31 (five years ago) link

why are we still ranking them?

look who didn't get invited to a Fantasy Congress league this year

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:36 (five years ago) link

people whose entire concept of human worthiness it tied up in work for work's sake yachts and gold plated toilets.

While My Guitar Gently Wheedly-Wheedly-Wheedly-Weeps (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:48 (five years ago) link

I used to work with too many 70-80 year old men who would. not. retire. They would have to eventually be tricked/forced out and given sunset agreements so they could still do some client meetings and get paid but at least they freed up office space. They literally did not want to leave.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:52 (five years ago) link

and those bitches had so much support staff because they didn't know how to use computers or how to call people themselves.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:54 (five years ago) link

I can sympathize with feeling strong enough to want to work as opposed to the seventy-one-year-old bag man at Publix who can't live on his Social Security check, but the imaginations of these men are limited to driving their wives to the beauty parlor. That's why my dad won't retire: he won't sit at home yet he's too old for manual labor.

Let's have sensible centrist armageddon (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:55 (five years ago) link

^^^These were rich guys who only knew how to make money. That is all they were interested in, that is who they were.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:58 (five years ago) link

There were some super-elderly partners who still occasionally came to the office at my last job, one of whom I suspected very strongly had to be literally spoon-fed by his assistant.

Goody Rickels on the Dime (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:59 (five years ago) link

But it's the idea again that you are only worth something if you go to a specific place, during specific hours and are paid a specific amount for it. It's so boring.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 19:00 (five years ago) link

that SXSW talk is good listening

the bits DJI quoted starts from a guy's question at 55:15. best part of that answer imo:

"... Our technological advancement as a society has outpaced our system for handling finite resources. Because now we are approaching infinite resources. And how do - - - capitalism is based on scarcity, and what happens when there is enough for everyone to eat? What happens when there is enough for everyone to be clothed? Then you have to make scarcity artificial(ly). And that is what has happened. We have created artificial scarcity and that is why we are driven to work eighty hours a week when we are being our most productive at any point in American history. And so we... you know, we should be working the least amount we've ever worked... if we were actually paid based on how much wealth we're producing. But we're not, we're paid on how little we're desperate enough to accept, and then the rest is skimmed off and given to a billionaire."

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 19:08 (five years ago) link

wonder if she read Inventing the Future

moose; squirrel (silby), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 19:09 (five years ago) link

Around 2009ish I was working at a bank that had hours like 8am-6pm and I put together a whole alternative schedule where I could do my same job but just in an abbreviated timeframe ( I think it was ~32 hrs/wk) and I was happy to take a salary cut and to do it on a trial basis to make sure I could cover all the work. It totally got denied because it would "look bad" to my teammates and because I wasn't going to use my spare time doing something work-related/enrichment, like going to law school or getting an MBA. It was so ridiculous (I quit). I forgot about it until my friend, who I worked with there, brought it up when I was consulting at her firm this past fall. Because that firm and so many other firms are all about "agile working" now.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 19:10 (five years ago) link

they have to be. it's like work from home, once a few companies start doing it, everyone's going to have to either start or have trouble attracting top-rate talent

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 19:11 (five years ago) link

Harry Enten still dumb as a wooden pundit: https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/16/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-polls-like-trump-poll-of-the-week/index.html

(The fact that AOC is not running for national office and therefore has no reason to give a shit how she's polling nationally does not occur to him until paragraph 11:

It could be the case that Ocasio-Cortez doesn't and perhaps shouldn't care that her ratings have gone south. She clearly has a core group of supporters and is able to drive the national press conversation. For her own electoral sake, the group of voters who will decide her fate are in a slice of the Bronx and Queens' sections of New York City.

There's also nothing unique about nationally known politicians being unpopular with the general electorate. As I have noted on Twitter, almost every single candidate running for president in 2020 is more disliked than liked among all voters.

Still...

get ready for lots more tedious silliness of this kind in the months and years to come

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 16 March 2019 16:07 (five years ago) link

I think we are entering an era where every single politician with a national rep is going to have either essentially 0% approval from Dems and some measurable amount of disapproval among their fellow Republicans, or vice versa, which is to say that everybody's going to have negative approval ratings overall.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 16 March 2019 16:15 (five years ago) link

I have never been polled about a candidate in my life.

Yerac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 16:52 (five years ago) link

Or any politician.

Yerac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 16:52 (five years ago) link

Me neither. I’ve never been polled about anything. I guess maybe it’s because I don’t answer calls from numbers I don’t recognize

but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Saturday, 16 March 2019 18:25 (five years ago) link

Try moving to a swing state.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 16 March 2019 18:44 (five years ago) link

maybe eventually enough state legislatures will pass the national popular vote interstate compact and everyone's vote will actually count again

but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Saturday, 16 March 2019 18:47 (five years ago) link

I was polled and I voted for AOC over Joseph Crowley.

dan selzer, Saturday, 16 March 2019 19:20 (five years ago) link

Socialists in Congress expose how big capitalists rip off US taxpayers. Ex: tax-money helps pay for drug research but none of the "private" profits made on those drugs flow to the public that invested. So taxpayers subsidize drug company "private" profits.https://t.co/lClcYvPBYx

— Richard D. Wolff (@profwolff) March 19, 2019

Simon H., Tuesday, 19 March 2019 17:06 (five years ago) link

not trying to defending big pharma here, that's for fucking sure, but the counterargument to that line of thinking is that the benefit to taxpayers comes in the form of greater availability of drugs, improved effectiveness of drugs, etc. obviously there are a ton of issues with that (for example, miracle drugs like oxycontin), but it's not like taxpayers funded a private yacht company and never see any changes in their lives - it's medical research that directly affects the drugs that become available.

similar areas where taxpayers are providing the funding for R&D and don't see "direct" returns: NASA, DARPA.

the question is whether the pharmaceutical research that's being funded by taxpayers would still take place if it was entirely funded by the pharmaceutical industry. i have no idea about that.

again, not saying that big pharma doesn't totally abuse the system and that maybe (like they allude to in the clip) it would be possible for them to funnel some of their ludicrously high profits back to the government. but i don't think it's scandalous or unusual that drug research is partly funded by taxpayers, or that taxpayers don't see a "direct" return

but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 17:37 (five years ago) link

could part of the issue be *what* they research? the old point abt how they're super focused on things like the latest viagra improvement, or developing specialized patents for a nasal spray so that they can keep a dirt-cheap migraine drug at $3,000 a dose or w/e. but i dunno how much if any of that stuff comes from public dollars, or is possible because public dollars are subsidizing the r&d operation as a whole....

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 17:48 (five years ago) link

AOC now officially too dumb AND too smart:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ocasio-cortez-trump-nematode

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 22 March 2019 19:21 (five years ago) link

Schrödinger's GOP punching bag.

pomenitul, Friday, 22 March 2019 19:28 (five years ago) link

nematode is not a bad burn really

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 22 March 2019 19:36 (five years ago) link

very millennial, I like it

k3vin k., Saturday, 23 March 2019 03:33 (five years ago) link

It's ... interesting ... that only 23% of Republicans haven't heard enough about @AOC to form an opinion, compared to a sizable 44% of Democrats https://t.co/PIoWFDjUiK pic.twitter.com/ybf0YhykSa

— Brett LoGiurato (@BrettLoGiurato) March 28, 2019

Karl Malone, Friday, 29 March 2019 01:01 (five years ago) link

Hmmmm curious

Simon H., Friday, 29 March 2019 01:02 (five years ago) link

as usual, AOC had a good rejoinder to that, but come on, this thread can't be ALL @AOC tweets

Karl Malone, Friday, 29 March 2019 01:07 (five years ago) link

Because of her I kind of want to get my birth chart read. My spouse would totally disown me though.

AOC is so great. She is my benchmark.

Yerac, Friday, 29 March 2019 01:11 (five years ago) link

your birth chart read?

k3vin k., Friday, 29 March 2019 02:29 (five years ago) link

well this is def the right thread for it

Mordy, Friday, 29 March 2019 04:34 (five years ago) link

lol @ the update there

difficult listening hour, Friday, 29 March 2019 04:47 (five years ago) link

otm

⅋ (crüt), Friday, 29 March 2019 04:51 (five years ago) link


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