immigrants, expatriates, longterm residents in a foreign land, whatever you want to be called

I said a while ago I’d never leave but I don’t know anymore. I couldn’t do it while my parents are still alive and they’re not even at retirement age yet.

there's plenty of data out there regarding these things

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 4 March 2019 22:57 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sure didnt i ask the poster directly to find out their thinking didn't i. theres data on everything proving everything.

anyway anyone who can afford it should come to dublin for a while anyway. nb i havent read the data

I like Dublin. It's gotten really pricey though, right? (I haven't been in a while).

Would i be allowes to immigrate there? I am fourth gen but very nice.

born in america, live in america, consider "countries" to be a quaint 19th century solution to tribalism that is past its sell-by date

its excruciating costwise but the craic is mighty

You can find craic anywhere though tbh.

tisnt the same shtop

... outside of parts of Southern England that is.

I suppose Bloom himself was a Jew come to think of it

not much craic in vancouver tbh, plenty of crack mind

Born in Malaysia, lived four years in Singapore, six years in Australia, and now back in Malaysia.

It feels like home now - there isn't anywhere else with better food imo (except maybe Japan). But wouldn't say no to leaving again if the right opportunity came up.

I like being home but I like to see different things until they become familiar.\
otm x1000
i could stand for a little more of this in my life, but for now. i am happy to be going on a trip soon
i moved away from the place where i was born/grew up when i was 18 (with various stints at "home" but never longer than 6 mo and ending at the age of 22) and have not regretted it. i lived internationally briefly and the experience changed my life forever, in a good way. living away from the place where i grew up has been overall net positive experience for me. can't imagine having stayed tbh.

feel like i squandered the chance to live in europe when i had the chance tbh

i live in my native country or the country of my birth and i love certain aspects of it but will never rule out leaving

Like if the Upper Peninsula of Michigan ever secedes to Canada I'll be there, glorious and free

Or like if I can get a good job in NZ

one trend i see in a lot of people who come here is a grass-is-greener outlook,
which i can sympathize with, since you want to be optimistic when you make
such a big move.

but a lot of them are under the impression that moving is a solution in and of
itself; that it will fix a lot of their problems, and they come here to realize that's
not really how it works.

it's sad to see them complain about apparently the same things they didn't like
about wherever they were from.

this isn't counting the obvious transplants who grew up in the middle of nowhere,
of course. this is mostly to do with living in any big city, even though i realize there
are some cities that are better for specific skills, trades, or what have you.

I can't tell who's moving where from that post, JJJS. Are you talking of people from other countries from where they now live, or just people who moved to your city from somewhere else in the same country? Just what the heck are you trying to say and what is your point?

Been in NZ since October, no plans to go back to the UK apart from for inevitable funerals

xp are you squirrel_police?

aimless, i'm talking about transplants who move to the city i live in.
i don't think it's relevant whether they are american or not.

sleeve, ha! is it because of the line breaks?

i don't think it's relevant whether they are american or not.

well, it's pretty relevant to understanding what you're talking about. thank you for clarifying. the thread title and poll choices excluded the subject of people moving about within their own country, so it was especially difficult to follow your rambling thoughts into a different topic until you made that intention explicit

it's actually not relevant, because i wasn't talking about one group
specifically. you seem to want to force my argument to be a certain
way, though.

and w/r/t "ramblings," your passive-aggressive vibe is noted.

I'm not sure you are making an argument. I just got impatient with your lack of clarity concerning who you were talking about, other than "people who come here ", without saying who those people were, where they came from, or where 'here' was. if I wanted to force you to do anything, it was just force you to make more sense.

thread moderator stepping in here, jjs what city are you from? tell us a bit about yourself.
aimless thank you for trying to keep order here

that's a rude question, especially on a public forum.
i will say, though, that most of the transplants i interact with
are in IT.

Is that your way of saying they are south asian? I don't understand what is going on here.

Anyway, I want to move to Hawaii permanently except for the whole US lack of healthcare/45 issue right now. I am also angling for France/Japan/Australia, previously had been for the UK until Brexit. We know we won't be here for more than 5 more years max.

from dublin, living in london for 11 years, this week actually. feels a long time and i can't say i love london as i once did, not just due to the political stuff in the uk but also the restrictive laws about socialising and the extreme inequality you're forced to sponsor by paying rent here. i suppose that would be true of most other cities now though.

aside from that my work is about as good a setup as i can have anywhere in the world, regular office hours, flat structure with no real boss, meaningful and interesting day to day, and well-paid. equally i am studying an ma and that keeps me here too, i'll probably do an mfa after that.

after which i'd like to live somewhere else, dublin feels small enough to have a really good quality of life, walking in and out of the city etc. it bothers me that in london i pay high rent to live in a suburb, as someone who lives alone it'd be good to be surrounded by a city. i'd like to live in nyc for a while at some stage but dunno if i'd work in the american setup with so few holidays, maybe i'll just do three months on a tourist visa one day.

beyond that i think spain, any number of cities in spain tbh. i can imagine retiring there permanently when i'm older, assuming life allows that to happen.

ideally managing a small football team or perhaps one day the national team again.

emigrating means you get to start over again in many ways, for some of us this is what we live for, renewal, becoming someone new. maybe you could get that just by moving to another place where you don't have to learn a new language but I dunno. I am a chameleon though.

It gets exhausting when perpetual financial instability is part of the package.

It gets exhausting when perpetual financial instability is part of the package.

I've already got that here - might as well have it someplace with nicer scenery and better health care.

You live in the US, I assume? If so, I concur.

i lived for long periods outside of my native country or the country of my birth but have now returned home

seemed most apt. Total of six years in the US, incl. three from 2015-2018.

not to mention that in any other country on earth I would remain an American by temperament, and therefore somewhat of an alien being in my new country, until my death.

I mean, this is not a bad thing, being a foreigner in Brexit has at least given me the framework of "at least I can move back if I have to, I know it's within my capacity"

(Obviously of course this is one of the things that I approve of in other people - big cities are made by those who come there rather than raised there etc)

In the States right now. Feel like I could move back here tomorrow, and like I never ever will want to move back here again ever. The internalized American exceptionalism wears off right quick if you don't exclusively hang with ex pats.

Leaving the US for The Netherlands in a few months. Starting again from scratch in my middle age but that's fine. Learning Dutch and my brain is slowly catching on to this most difficult of languages. I'll only be back to visit family and get my stuff out of storage in a year's time. Good effing Riddance.

I don't spend time with Americans here except the ones I live with. I mean I encounter tourists now & then but as far as daily life goes, I don't know any other americans.

I feel like my most american temperament thing is that I drink coffee in too large vessels. And maybe drink too much water.

Welkom Capitaine! :)

Lived where I've been born (Netherlands, The North) most of my time. Lived in The North of England for over a year, and a couple of months writing in Basque Country. For someone who's made a living out of 'localness' (running a paper where I'm from, partly in a tiny local language passed on to me at birth; sure death of the tiny language accepted as fate but not without putting up a fight) I can see myself living in a different country more easily as I get older, to my own surprise. If it's on the cards it will probably be Basque Country.

I'd actually like to live in more different places than time permits.

Dank je, LBI!

not to mention that in any other country on earth I would remain an American by temperament, and therefore somewhat of an alien being in my new country, until my death.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Born in the UK, lived in Italy for a year around the turn of the century, moved to the US in 2009 and Australia in 2013. Would move again if i could but my wife seems pretty rooted here. I’d love to move to Japan or to a non-Uk European country but not till I’ve locked down Australian citizenship. Brexit really destroyed any remaining desire to return to the UK, being european in the EU sense as well as a cultural sense was alway part of my identity and I don’t want to be part of a UK that denies that. Australia is a much better place to have a cosmopolitan identity.

If I'd had my choice I'd be living outside the U.S., but fate completely shat on me/my plans and I'm still living in this podunk town (though it's ever so slightly improving). I try not to get angry about it but it's very, very difficult at times.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

I had like four abortive attempts to leave my hometown over the years until one attempt finally took a few years ago (left the country as well). At times it felt impossible, maybe like how NASA engineers felt trying to make a rocket to escape Earth's gravitational pull. Hope you get there someday, dee

good participation on this poll!

and a surprising number of immigrants/expats/transplants/exiles, think.

Hmm… I said the exact same thing upthread, more or less.

it's ok, I feel strongly about that sentiment too.