quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread

obviously the stigma's not that bad if the NYT can get people on record about it.

that or kids in williamsburg will say anything to get in the times

the girl in the photo is auditioning for ... what? a mumblecore porno?

she's a playwright

like that chick in... that one mumblecore film.

which fucking sucked.

'hannah takes the stairs'

kind of redundant writing 'thnat mumblecore film that sucked' amirite.

you tell me Mr. Mumblecore, I've never seen a Mumblecore movie.

chick from article

http://www.freewilliamsburg.com/archives/2008/08/misha_calvert.html

you tell me Mr. Mumblecore, I've never seen a Mumblecore movie.

― Mr. Que, Tuesday, June 9, 2009 8:59 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i saw it for ca$h

okay Mr. Mumblecore

if she were my offspring i'd cut her off too

no daughter of mine steals colt .45

snape kills mumblecore?

haha i knew i recognized that chicks name

no wonder she was willing to talk to the nyt

u mean mumble

I'm with Max, btw, in terms of reading this and finding it slightly hard to believe this type represents quite as high a percentage of the Williamsburg population as is suggested. (Getting sort of scoffy claims from third parties about this demographic's willingness to work real jobs also seems unconvincing to me, or anyway incomplete.) Maybe I'm just naive and Midwestern about these things, though.

I'm also trying to decide: if I had investments that provided me with $3-10k of income per month, would I be awesomely productive and fit? Hideously obese? Drug-addicted? Bored and aimless and depressed? Incredibly well-read? I do know one or two people who have the money to not-work and actually focus their time and accomplish cool things; I so don't trust that I'd have the personality to do that. I would probably watch loads of TV and be really depressed, and then occasionally spend a bunch of money on clothes to make myself feel better.

she seems horrible obv, but 'misha calvert' is a really great name imo

"snape kills mumblecore?

― harbl, Tuesday, June 9, 2009 9:10 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink"

loooool

well it seems like the article collapses a whole range of experiences, from "mom & dad help out a little with rent each month" which is like, who cares, all the way to "mom & dad set up a trust fund that means i dont ever have to work" which is like, infuriating but whatever--and im sure its possible that the latter kind would flip at the idea of having to work a regular job but the former it seems likely are already working fairly regular jobs (and are likely based on what i know about williamsburg and people my age also doing some kind of creative art/writing/designer wallpaper as well) and may now just have to get more hours or devote less time to their artisan ice cream making or whatever.

theres a germ of an interesting in that article somewhere, about how the unbelievable amount of cash in this city and the country as a whole has probably supported a much larger hipster "population" or "culture" in NYC than ever before--but i dont think parents and trust funds have as much to do with it as the sort of unbelievable number of "media"/"creative professional" jobs that were created (and have now been lost) over the last 10+ years that allowed people to sustain themselves doing sort of "artsy" things with and around other "artsy" people

^^^good post

Posted by: hammond's organ | August 12, 2008 05:10 PM

I am sorry did the chk not clear that week from mommy and daddy... poor little misha and her hot pants. i hope you fall onto the L train tracks.

I am sorry did the chk chk chk not clear

Yes, the all over aspect of the article was little annoying to me. I know plenty of responsible non-rich-kids who get some help from their parents with rent sometimes, or who have periods of living at home in between jobs, or because they prioritize paying back insane student loans with their small salaries over having their own places. Having a decent relationship with your family and being unable to buy into a real estate bubble that really just ended on entry level wages is sooooooo not the same as not working because of your trust fund.

That said, I also found it hard to believe the ridiculousness of some of those examples...but the world is full of odd situations, just because something sounds like a caricature doesn't mean it can't happen.

something that is getting lost in this discussion is that the brooklyn ale house makes amazing bloody marys

The Onion headline could be something like: Sustainable Knitting Store Unsustainable

^ and one

ha ha as soon as I saw that article I knew it was gonna be on this thread
. . .

Back to the first article - this guy is making more than $100k a year. He nets $2750/mo. That's after the $4k in alimony/child support and tax withholding, which is probably quite a bit.

"I'M FLUENT IN 3 SECTIONS, ACTUALLY"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/tracerhand/Picture4-1.jpg

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/16/nyregion/16bigcity.html?_r=1

guh parents are so crazy.

meme roth is just crazy; i think its independent of the fact of her children. she's the one who freaked out that jordin sparks existed the year she won idol.

yeah, that woman's made a name for herself being crazy about diet & obesity. sucks that she's making her kids' school lives miserable as a result.

wow what a fascist

You're probably bound to grow up that self-centered if your name is MeMe.

i like that you can read her name (in all small letters) as "meme." i also think it would be funny to force feed her doritos.

Ms. Roth’s message is hardly outlandish: There is an obesity epidemic, and there are probably better ways to celebrate a child’s birth than sending a passel of kids into sugar shock in the middle of math class.

agreed. every third grader should bring in their mom on their birthday so they can reenact the birth. it's educational.

'MeMe Jr. was a C-section, so we're going to cut her out of this sleeping bag to show how she was born."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/may/24/meme-roth-obesity-nutrition

"Every picture of Angelina Jolie shows her children eating a bag of Cheetos. How dare the richest, most educated people who have access to everything do this to their kids?"

lol what fucking planet are you on exactly?

tru lols @ angelina being the 'most educated'

Right, I say. So how about lunch?

She squirms visibly. "You're taking me where I don't want to go ... What works for me doesn't work for a lot of people."

Well, you've said that, I insist, so taking that into account: lunch? Roth hesitates. "I discovered when I was in college that I work best when I get a workout in and eat after that. Sometimes I'll delay when I eat until I get a workout in. But I don't let a whole day go by without running four miles."

OK, I go on, but supposing you couldn't work out until four o'clock in the afternoon - would you not eat until after that?

"I might."

I look at my watch. It's 3.30pm. Alarm bells start to ring in my head. How about today, I ask. Have you eaten at all today?

Roth is a little quiet.

"No," she says.

There is a pause.

"But I feel great!"

All I will add is that I'm happy for her children that this article has appeared in the Times so that years later they will have something to show their therapists.

I look at my watch. It's 3.30pm. Alarm bells start to ring in my head. How about today, I ask. Have you eaten at all today?

I generally don't like journalistic ambushes but have to hand it to the reporter on this one, this is cracking

maybe she's a breatharian

Is anyone saying that that woman clearly has an eating disorder? And is inflicting it on her children, and trying to inflict it on everyone else's?

I mean making yourself pay for a meal by running 4 miles is really fucking disordered eating. And possibly masochism.

http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2007/05/09/525442/MeMeRothSouthBeachBathingSuitRun.jpg

if you can imagine the mere size of the meal she consumes after a 4mi run, yeah the eating disorder is pretty apparent

but this is how she "finds she works best" and god forbid we judge her for her mechanical compulsion to maximum efficiency