I don't think it's appealing to morality more so than questioning if the long term health of the game is being challenged by the short term thinking of some owners.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 1 March 2019 04:36 (five years ago) link
"The team has to look out for its own interest" -- sure, under the current rules, it makes perfect sense to manipulate the service time of their best young players. They'd be stupid *not* to take advantage of that loophole. That's not the problem, the problem is that the loophole is BS and screws over both the players and the fans.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 1 March 2019 08:06 (five years ago) link
What is the league's rationale for letting guys come up June 1st without losing a year, but not April 1st?
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 1 March 2019 17:59 (five years ago) link
the deal that the union negotiated with the league basically left this loophole open, where a certain amount of service time is required to burn a year of team control. not sure why the union agreed to it, but for the league it means happier owners who can play effective (sometimes REALLY effective) players for longer without paying them a lot. i guess it allows smaller market teams, if they're good with scouting, coaching and shrewd with contracts, to compete at a high level with a "bigger window" to sync up their quality youngsters. it's gotten completely insane now, though, where these arb-eligible/young guys are SO much cheaper than free agents, that there's no incentive to hire those free agents if you have a guy who's half as good and a tenth of the price.
as much as i don't want to miss any baseball, it's fucked up and i support the seemingly inevitable strike to get these folks paid
― they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boo'd Up" (Will M.), Friday, 1 March 2019 18:48 (five years ago) link
i'm not sure that answered your question lol i had too much coffee. it's all trash, let vlad play in toronto until there's a new montreal team for him to join
― they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boo'd Up" (Will M.), Friday, 1 March 2019 18:59 (five years ago) link
i have mixed feelings about that last detail.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 1 March 2019 20:07 (five years ago) link
ahhhh but look montreal isn't getting a team for like 20 years at this rate so you'll still get the best of vlad jr
― they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boo'd Up" (Will M.), Friday, 1 March 2019 20:15 (five years ago) link
Montreal can still hope for Vlad Jr Jr
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 1 March 2019 20:29 (five years ago) link
Vlad Guerrero, Third of His Name, Breaker of ERAs, King of Baseball North
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 2 March 2019 16:12 (five years ago) link
out 3 weeks with an oblique strain.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 10 March 2019 16:49 (five years ago) link
let's see, 3 weeks from march 10 is...
*checks calendar*
yep, late april
― but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Sunday, 10 March 2019 16:54 (five years ago) link
Rumored to have been called up to AAA Buffalo.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 11 April 2019 15:51 (five years ago) link
homer, double, four RBI in his first game with buffalo
i believe we have passed the point where the jays have gotten their extra year of control, so it could be any day now
― mookieproof, Friday, 12 April 2019 16:56 (five years ago) link
Lot of talk on the radio tonight: how much notice will fans get, will the debut be a sell-out, is this the most anticipated debut of any Toronto athlete ever (any sport), etc. If there's enough notice, I might just try to buy a couple of cheap seats immediately and figure out who else can go later.
― clemenza, Friday, 12 April 2019 23:05 (five years ago) link
you live there, but i guess i'd be surprised if vlad's debut is a bigger deal than auston matthews'
― mookieproof, Friday, 12 April 2019 23:22 (five years ago) link
Matthews' name came up, and the three hosts seemed to concur that this was bigger (in part because Matthews' four-goal debut was on the road).
― clemenza, Friday, 12 April 2019 23:31 (five years ago) link
ah, cool
― mookieproof, Friday, 12 April 2019 23:34 (five years ago) link
I kind of agree with Matthews myself. I also thought of Vince Carter--not sure how long it for "Vinsanity" to take hold. I looked up his home debut: third game overall, 22 points, attendance ~15,000.
Something that made me laugh: Halladay's name came up, it was pointed out that he began with relatively little fanfare, and someone asked "Does anyone remember Halladay's debut?" Well, his first start was on the road, but in his first start in Toronto he came within one out of a no-hitter. So yeah, I think quite a few people remember.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqtzmTHHZlA
― clemenza, Friday, 12 April 2019 23:47 (five years ago) link
.500/.583/.900 through 12 AB in Buffalo. Probably ready...
― clemenza, Monday, 15 April 2019 15:16 (five years ago) link
I’m sure if social media was what it is now back then, Halladay’s debut would have been a bigger deal.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 15 April 2019 21:20 (five years ago) link
He was a first-round pick, but relatively low (17th), and he hadn't done much in the minors before he arrived. Everything's a bigger deal on social media, but I don't think he would have approached the Guerrero/Matthews/Carter kind of anticipation.
― clemenza, Monday, 15 April 2019 22:42 (five years ago) link
Wow!
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. now has exactly the same number of at-bats his dad had before his MLB debut. Through 1,055 AB's,Vlad Sr: .343 AVG, 45 HR, 184 RBI, 95 BB, 115 K in 285 GVlad Jr: .332 AVG, 42 HR, 206 RBI, 149 BB, 137 K in 283 G— Kelsie Heneghan (@Kelsie_Heneghan) April 15, 2019
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 00:03 (five years ago) link
According to my source this will come true. https://t.co/gj5a1i2Lmk— Héctor Gómez (@hgomez27) February 7, 2019
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 19 April 2019 21:22 (five years ago) link
uh... i meant:
SOURCE: The Blue Jays will call up Vladimir Guerrero Jr. He will make his MLB's debut on Tuesday vs @SFGigantes, at Rogers Centre.#ZDigital #ZDeportes @z101digital @ZDeportes— Héctor Gómez (@hgomez27) April 19, 2019
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 19 April 2019 21:24 (five years ago) link
Another reporter is throwing cold water on that report. Going to the game either way, so I’m hopeful.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 19 April 2019 22:00 (five years ago) link
*hoping.
I've got a busy week, so unless they hold off till Saturday I'm out of luck. The other thing is, if I were to go, I want an actual ticket, not a computer printout. So that would pretty much necessitate buying the day of.
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 April 2019 15:41 (five years ago) link
no Vlad tmrw. that means it will be either friday or May 6th (barring a mid-series injury). already got seats lined up for friday!
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 22 April 2019 20:07 (four years ago) link
.379/.438/.724 with three homers in eight games for buffalo now
come on
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link
I've got my tickets for fridays game!
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 18:06 (four years ago) link
(xpost) If not for the Leafs, he would have been up Tuesday; I agree with their decision there, both economically (no way it would have sold out with the Leafs playing a game 7) and as a matter of fairness to fans.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link
i don't think the leafs had anything to do with it. they'd been saying for a while they wanted him playing a full series before getting called up, which didn't happen over the weekend because of rain.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 20:39 (four years ago) link
call up biggio too tbh
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 21:14 (four years ago) link
yes. my suspicion is it will happen once they are clear of the super-two whatever it is with him.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 21:22 (four years ago) link
It’s official. He’s up Friday.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 23:32 (four years ago) link
Mike Fiers made his MLB debut in 2011, the same year Vlad Guerrero Sr. retired. Now he’ll become the first pitcher Vlad Jr. faces in the big leagues on Friday.— Faizal Khamisa (@SNFaizalKhamisa) April 24, 2019
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 23:51 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D49POxjVUAAswAb.jpg
― but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Thursday, 25 April 2019 00:00 (four years ago) link
The range of names here is amusing: from Lou Gehrig to Nick Swisher, and everybody in between.
https://www.mlb.com/news/vladimir-guerrero-jr-projections-10-years-c303459710
― clemenza, Thursday, 25 April 2019 00:02 (four years ago) link
if you asked me a week ago to name the teams of this guy and Tatis Jr, I couldn't have done it
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 April 2019 00:44 (four years ago) link
Lot of talk on the radio tonight: how much notice will fans get, will the debut be a sell-out, is this the most anticipated debut of any Toronto athlete ever (any sport), etc. If there's enough notice, I might just try to buy a couple of cheap seats immediately and figure out who else can go later.― clemenza, Friday, April 12, 2019
70,000 for the three games (29/21/19). I don't know why I too thought they might sell out Friday (or Saturday). As Mike Wilner pointed out, they didn't draw for Clemens in '97 and '98, having two historically great seasons--when they contend it's a zoo, when they don't it's half-empty, and it doesn't matter who's on the field.
― clemenza, Monday, 29 April 2019 01:38 (four years ago) link
Which is typical for most teams, and halfway between the few that draw no matter what, and the few that have trouble filling seats even when they contend.
― clemenza, Monday, 29 April 2019 01:55 (four years ago) link
Getting the day off tonight. No concern at all, although with so much scrutiny, you don't want a slow start to take on a life of its own.
― clemenza, Thursday, 2 May 2019 22:38 (four years ago) link
Finally a multi-hit game today (2-2). It's been ugly--here's hoping Mendoza Land's in the mirror within a week or two.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 May 2019 02:04 (four years ago) link
home run derby bound!
― mookieproof, Friday, 21 June 2019 21:51 (four years ago) link
Is it normal for them to invite rando non-all stars?
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 22 June 2019 02:30 (four years ago) link
What's the record for lowest amount of HRs (or lowest SLG) to be invited to the HR derby?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 22 June 2019 02:40 (four years ago) link
ffs you people hate fun and/or 20-year-olds
would you rather have ketel marte and renato nunez
― mookieproof, Saturday, 22 June 2019 04:08 (four years ago) link
come join me on the Soto thread...
BlueJays rookies ranked by ISO:
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2019&month=0&season1=2019&ind=2&team=14&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2019-01-01&enddate=2019-12-31&sort=10,d
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 22 June 2019 04:24 (four years ago) link
Mookie otm I hope Senior throws
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 22 June 2019 04:24 (four years ago) link
tbh the entire home run derby should be keith law pitching to jeff mcneil
― mookieproof, Saturday, 22 June 2019 04:37 (four years ago) link