allegations vs truth
oh you mean the admitted rape that went from being "a slanderous lie" to "an unfortunate mistake" within 24 hours?
what ppl still defending the dude don't seem to get is that it was the way he overreacted to the story that was the dealbreaker for many people including myself, all "allegations" (jfc) aside
― sold out in presale (sleeve), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 21:44 (five years ago) link
And fwiw re: the Adams effect of fucking with their victims careers too, I have seen Grimm on way too few bills post accusation. Hard to make a tight case for the causality there, admittedly; but even harder to deny its probability id say
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 27 February 2019 23:41 (five years ago) link
I used to go back and forth on whether gybe or swans would be my 'soundtrack to the apocalypse.'
turns out it is THE SWANS
― Poptimus Grime (Pillbox), Thursday, 26 March 2020 06:40 (four years ago) link
er.. i mean SWANS
― Poptimus Grime (Pillbox), Thursday, 26 March 2020 06:41 (four years ago) link
spelled backward is.. SNAWS
― Poptimus Grime (Pillbox), Thursday, 26 March 2020 06:44 (four years ago) link
https://younggodrecords.com/collections/special-items/products/swans-face-masks !
― StanM, Sunday, 24 May 2020 06:22 (three years ago) link
wow theyre so poorly designed
― here 1st (roxymuzak), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:18 (three years ago) link
idk I like the teeth one
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:19 (three years ago) link
do we have a "neat quarantine masks" thread yet
There is clearly no level to which Gira will not stoop nowadays. That said, I'd happily wear a Public Castration Is A Good Idea mask.
― while the city bleeps (Matt #2), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:31 (three years ago) link
lots of bands are selling masks tbf
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
some of them not fronted by rapists
― Children of Bo-Dom (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link
^^^
― here 1st (roxymuzak), Sunday, 24 May 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link
sure, just didn't see the big deal on this count
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 24 May 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link
dud
― no (Left), Sunday, 24 May 2020 21:20 (three years ago) link
new album in 2023 - fundraiser (acoustic versions) & preorder:
https://younggodrecords.com/products/is-there-really-a-mind
― StanM, Thursday, 6 January 2022 16:23 (two years ago) link
New *studio* album in 2023:
SWANS have announced details of their sixteenth studio album, The Beggar, due for release on Mute / Young God Records (N America) on 23 June 2023. The Beggar will be released on double vinyl in a brown chipboard sleeve with a download card for accessing an additional 44 minutes of music (also included on the album's CD version), as a double CD in a brown chipboard digi-pack, as well as digitally. Listen to the first track from the album, ‘Paradise is Mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgtGHp2kfPQ
The Beggar tracklisting 1. The Parasite2. Paradise is Mine 3. Los Angeles: City of Death4. Michael is Done5. Unforming6. The Beggar7. No More of This8. Ebbing9. Why Can't I Have What I Want Any Time That I Want?10. The Beggar Lover (Three)11. The Memorious
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 16:45 (one year ago) link
3. Los Angeles: City of Death4. Michael is Done
nice
Is Ben Frost still in this band, or is he just a touring member?
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 16:49 (one year ago) link
From the press release:
Primary contributors to The Beggar:
Michael Gira – Vocals, words, acoustic guitar, production. Gira started Swans in NYC in 1982 and has been the primary songwriter, singer and producer throughout the years. During the Swans hiatus (1999 – 2010), he released several albums by and toured with a group called Angels of Light. Gira recently published a book of his short stories, journals, and words for music, called The Knot. He lives in New Mexico.
Kristof Hahn – Lap steel, various guitars, vocals. Kristof first joined Swans in 1989 and was a principal contributor to Angels of Light, and a core Swans member 2010 – 2017. Kristof’s other musical ventures have included the Rock ‘n’ Roll Noir band Les Hommes Sauvages and Kool Kings (with Alex Chilton). When not making music Kristof translates books. He lives in Berlin, Germany.
Larry Mullins - Drums, vibes, orchestral percussion, Mellotron, various keyboards, backing vocals. Larry is a trained symphonic percussionist. He played through the ‘90s with Iggy Pop and later with The Stooges. He played with Swans in the late ‘90s and was a main contributor to Angels of Light. His current main job is playing drums with The Bad Seeds. Larry lives in Berlin, Germany. Dana Schechter – Bass guitar, lap steel, keyboards, vocals, piano. Dana played bass in and was a core member of Angels of Light. She subsequently released music and toured as Bee and Flower. Her current band is the power-duo, Insect Ark. Dana is an animator and designer in the film industry and currently lives in Berlin, Germany.
Christopher Pravdica - Bass guitar, sounds, keyboards, vocals. Chris played bass as a core Swans member in 2010 – 2017. Chris has played with the bands, The Gunga Din, Flux Information Sciences, Xiu Xiu, Yonatan Gat’s Medicine Singers and has a project of his own called We Owe. Chris is a sound designer and lives in Brooklyn, NY. Phil Puleo – Drums, percussion, vocals, piano, exotic wind instruments. Phil played drums with Swans in the late ‘90s and was a core member in Swans 2010 – 2017 and contributed to Angels of Light. Phil’s early NYC musical venture was Cop Shoot Cop and has since played with Human Impact, among others. Phil is an extremely talented illustrator and lives in Chicago, IL. Ben Frost - Guitar, synthesizers, sound manipulations. In his own work, Ben’s adventurous sound-craftings are sometimes harrowing and sometimes delicate and quite musical. His numerous albums and his powerful live shows have afforded him much recognition. He is also an accomplished composer and arranger of music for film and television. Ben lives in Reykjavik, Iceland. Backing vocals are provided by Jennifer Gira, Lucy Kruger and Laura Carbone.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 16:54 (one year ago) link
Initially thought Larry Mullins was Larry Mullen Jr and i was like “Strange pairing!”
― The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 17:05 (one year ago) link
No Thor on this one
― young sussy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 17:09 (one year ago) link
Track listing with running times (from the Young God site):
The Beggar 2CD tracklisting
CD1:The Parasite (8:27)Paradise is Mine (9:23)Los Angeles: City of Death (3:29)Michael is Done (6:08)Unforming (5:55)The Beggar (10:15)No More of This (6:55)Ebbing (11:04)Why Can't I Have What I Want Any Time That I Want? (7:38)
CD2:The Beggar Lover (Three) (43:51)The Memorious (8:38)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 17:47 (one year ago) link
When I got the promo email I initially thought this was the album cover:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0397/1609/files/Swans_2023_TourPoster_Venue_v2copy_50ac29fc-beab-4c77-831c-a725de264052_480x480.jpg
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 17:48 (one year ago) link
Gira will be 70 next year. His hearing must be totally gone at this point.
― Position Position, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 19:17 (one year ago) link
I almost ordered it but then I remembered I paid for "New Album Fundraiser & Pre-Order" last time (got the "Is There Really A Mind" CD last year but this includes the 2023 album too, or it should)
― StanM, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 19:22 (one year ago) link
I chatted him up after a show in Houston and asked if he ever wore earplugs. He gave me quite a dour look.
If he was my neighbor I would refer to him as “Chuckles.”
― Cow_Art, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 19:34 (one year ago) link
lmao that Ben Frost didn’t allow himself to be caricatured, dude appears to be somewhat self obsessed
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 20:54 (one year ago) link
Why Can't I Have What I Want Any Time That I Want? (7:38)
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
― Murgatroid, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 21:26 (one year ago) link
yeah i dunno i'll probably check this out though xD
― ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 21:27 (one year ago) link
The Beggar Lover (Three) (43:51)
beats Richard Dawson by almost three full minutes!
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 21:49 (one year ago) link
I hadn’t realized it was out. Enjoying it.
― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 16 August 2023 13:19 (eight months ago) link
It's pretty good
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Wednesday, 16 August 2023 13:58 (eight months ago) link
Haven't found much discussion of the remastering, I listened to White Light last night, it sounds great but very different, just now reading that aside from the obvious change (adding "Blind") that some of these songs are significantly different edits, I'm a bit dismayed but at least I still have my old Various Failures and White Light CDs. Maybe someday there'll be deluxe versions with all versions. I don't have a lot of experience listening to remasters of old favourites, hope it won't always cause this anxiety.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 August 2023 19:46 (eight months ago) link
I didn't know about the edits.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 19 August 2023 09:55 (eight months ago) link
I only have the remastered White Light from the Mouth of Infinity. I just have all the old CDs from the 90s that were bunched together
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Saturday, 19 August 2023 09:56 (eight months ago) link
The live band from 1988 was one of the best things I'd ever heard, extremely heavy folk rock. Played by most of the band that recorded Children Of God but with a different drummer. It took me an age to get hold of recordings from that era. I missed getting the official botleg which I think documents it Anonymous Bodies in an Empty Room . Not sure if that has been reissued. I think the sound they reached at the time does inform their more recent incarnation to some extent.
― Stevo, Saturday, 19 August 2023 10:31 (eight months ago) link
Remaster still sounds great, but different things are brought forward, I can't quite say what it is I'm missing from the older version
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 19 August 2023 22:44 (eight months ago) link
How do they compare to the original LPs?
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Sunday, 20 August 2023 11:48 (eight months ago) link
Just dropping in her to say that I listened to Screen Shot and Oxygen again today annd they are two of the best songs ever produced (and I don’t really care for this band much). Carry on!
― hrep (H.P), Sunday, 20 August 2023 12:20 (eight months ago) link
I've never heard the vinyl versions of any of them
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 August 2023 16:16 (eight months ago) link
me neither
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Tuesday, 22 August 2023 13:04 (eight months ago) link