Yeah iq was generalising around that and I agree
― See me in mi heels an' tinge (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 February 2019 18:53 (five years ago) link
like in a purely kuleshovian (sp?) way.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 18:54 (five years ago) link
Pro/non-pro is kind of nonsense anyway
― See me in mi heels an' tinge (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 February 2019 19:00 (five years ago) link
A director is looking for a particular effect, usually, which is as much about choice of take/performance as it is about the training or ability of the performer
― See me in mi heels an' tinge (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 February 2019 19:05 (five years ago) link
well, whether or not an actor has experience on a film set or in front of a camera is important. or can be important. i don't think it's "nonsense." but one can make too much of the distinction, certainly. isabelle huppert has talked about this a lot, and willem dafoe.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 19:14 (five years ago) link
yeah again i'm still generalising. i enjoy the illusion of not feeling that i'm watching somebody act.
― See me in mi heels an' tinge (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 February 2019 19:23 (five years ago) link
for most actors that illusion is the point of all their training and experience!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 22 February 2019 20:07 (five years ago) link
i disagree, seriously. and i think even if you reduced acting to The Method and adjacent ideas it has very few good exemplars. i'm not actually saying i hate acting, of course it has a place and it has its own pleasures, i just find it peripheral or distracting to a lot of film that i love.
― See me in mi heels an' tinge (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 February 2019 20:20 (five years ago) link
"Keir Dullea, gone tomorrow" was Noel Coward's famously cutting remark about one of the hottest young actors of the 1960s. The comment, uttered on the set of 1965's Bunny Lake is Missing, proved to be not only inaccurate but also especially ill-timed: The film that earned screen immortality for Dullea -- 2001: A Space Odyssey -- was still three years in the future.
https://www.npr.org/sections/monk2011/01/19/04/its_well_past_tomorrow_and_kei.html?t=1550867185882
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 22 February 2019 20:27 (five years ago) link
Bunny Lake was a highly visible, major production, and Dullea said his happiest day working on it was getting the 2001 role, bcz Otto Preminger treated him like shit.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 February 2019 20:39 (five years ago) link
Also one of those Cairns pieces notes that the cool inexpressiveness of Lockwood and Dullea was certainly a conscious choice.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 February 2019 20:41 (five years ago) link
famously cutting
love noel coward but that is a 3rd rate quip esp. by his standards
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Friday, 22 February 2019 21:25 (five years ago) link
noel coward is wonderfully gross and decadent in bunny lake, IIRC his face is dripping grease
It's a cute one-liner, but if only he knew who'd be more famous in 2019. Or 1985.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 February 2019 21:48 (five years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/KVjrQ11.jpg
― Alba, Saturday, 23 February 2019 09:37 (five years ago) link
ppl who google are ignorant in the first place
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 23 February 2019 13:34 (five years ago) link
I had to assemble some furniture today so figured I would put something on while I worked. And I remembered I spent days scouring the internet for a copy of Soderbergh's 110 minute cut/edit of "2001" but hadn't watched it yet. It'd been years since I saw the original so I figured, sure, why not. And it's really good! Shorter, obviously (by some 30 minutes), but subtly tweaked and resequenced with a greater emphasis on HAL and less on man/dawn of man. Made me see the movie with fresh eyes, not just because the "print was great, or because I was paying attention to this novel variation, but because the way Soderbergh recut it def. accents some themes more dramatically, esp. man's creation of AI as a parallel to the early creation of man (and subsequent reinvention/evolution of man). Good stuff.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 22:47 (five years ago) link
i don't know if anyone heard Kurt Andersen's 2-part radio show on the film but Tom Hanks was toxically annoying.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 May 2019 20:23 (four years ago) link
"'Houston! We have a problem!' LOL, that's what I woulda said!"
― pplains, Saturday, 1 June 2019 00:07 (four years ago) link
deliberately buried?
https://www.newsweek.com/moon-mystery-mass-discovered-far-side-1443304
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link
18 years late but I’ll take it
― God may judge you but his sins outnumber your own. (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 17:29 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/OKwc8FO.jpg
"I dunno, Dave. HAL's probably right. Maybe I should beam out there and fix that unit. Where's my red shirt?"
― pplains, Monday, 24 June 2019 02:46 (four years ago) link
Saw it on 70 mm last night at The Museum of the Moving Image in Queens. I hadn't read the talk on this thread about Chris Nolan's urine-colored print, and did not notice anything wrong with the color.
What struck me as very unsettling were the several stretches of absolute silence in the scene when poor Gary Lockwood loses his oxygen and goes spinning off into space. In a big theater full of people this kind of silence is eerie. I was afraid someone in the audience would make some dumb noise and break the spell, but no one made a sound. So good job, audience. (It helps that this venue doesn't allow food).
― Josefa, Monday, 12 August 2019 13:33 (four years ago) link
Imagining the alternate universe where Isiah Whitlock was in yr audience and just couldn't help himself.
― Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Monday, 12 August 2019 13:42 (four years ago) link
Seeing this on a very big screen back in the day was a very intense experience.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 12 August 2019 14:09 (four years ago) link
the crowd at this screening seemed very young and I couldn't help but wondering what a 20-25 yr old would make of this film, having grown up with a completely different style of sci fi pic
― Josefa, Monday, 12 August 2019 14:19 (four years ago) link
I realize there are some clues to that in this thread
My son watched it and liked it
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 12 August 2019 17:07 (four years ago) link
2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY. A visionary epic about man’s eternal quest to have a decent meal. pic.twitter.com/ZgRJzhQC10— Bilge Ebiri (@BilgeEbiri) January 19, 2020
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 January 2020 04:23 (four years ago) link
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35297381-space-odyssey
highly recommend this book to anyone interested in the making of the movie. it's very detailed and well-researched. lots of info about how the practical effects were accomplished, tons of harrowing stories about the shit that the actors and stuntmen were put through to make those effects work
― na (NA), Monday, 10 February 2020 15:49 (four years ago) link
yeah, we talked about it a bit upthread, it rules
― Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 February 2020 15:56 (four years ago) link
otm, great book
― Brad C., Monday, 10 February 2020 16:12 (four years ago) link
i couldn't believe what the dawn of man actors had to go through
honestly i've never loved 2001 but i think i need to see it in a theater
― na (NA), Monday, 10 February 2020 16:15 (four years ago) link
i saw in 70mm at least 15 years ago now and it was incredible
― Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 February 2020 16:17 (four years ago) link
Yeah I got to see it in 70mm a while back and it was like seeing it for the first time, a completely new experience.After a failed project recently I was just consoling myself by rereading the chapter in that new book about the disastrous premiere & Kubrick’s self-doubting depression afterward.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Monday, 10 February 2020 16:42 (four years ago) link
Just watched the movie for the first time in a while. In the book, does Bowman communicate w/Earth after deactivating HAL? (I haven’t read it since high school.) In this viewing, I wondered why mission control didn’t instruct him to abort the mission and turn around, rather than go on his own to Jupiter with no crew, etc. I assume the novel has more context about why he continues on with the mission (to Saturn in the book).
― New Adventures in WiFi (morrisp), Sunday, 25 October 2020 06:23 (three years ago) link
One other technical detail I’m not quite clear on is why the sunlight doesn’t hit TMA-1 until Heywood Floyd visits — which is some time after the team on the moon found it and had time to excavate it, etc. How often does sunlight fall on that part of the moon(?)(Sunlight is the “trigger” for the radio signal, yes? — because it indicates that humans have evolved to the point that they reached the moon, discovered the monolith, etc.?)
― New Adventures in WiFi (morrisp), Sunday, 25 October 2020 06:41 (three years ago) link
A lunar “day” is 28 days long because it completes 1 spin on its axis per orbit (same side always faces Earth). So they might have dug it up during the 14 days of darkness, or maybe it needed the sun directly overhead as suggested by the camera angle, giving them e.g. 3-4 weeks between middays.
― assert (MatthewK), Sunday, 25 October 2020 08:27 (three years ago) link
or it took a while to charge up the big radio blast
― assert (MatthewK), Sunday, 25 October 2020 08:28 (three years ago) link
On Bowman contacting Earth.
The original AE-35 unit was lost when HAL killed the other dude Poole, and HAL had claimed that the replacement that had been installed had failed. So the antenna was out of action at least? Presumably / understandably Bowman didn't fancy going EVA again to fix it even if that was possible!
Also was the Discovery already quite near to Jupiter at that point? Not to mention curiosity to say the least given the message Bowman had discovered.
― Noel Emits, Sunday, 25 October 2020 09:51 (three years ago) link
In the book I think I recall Clarke describing Bowman getting a lock on the Earth signal pretty easily once HAL was disconnected and no longer deliberately throwing off the alignment.
― assert (MatthewK), Sunday, 25 October 2020 11:50 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPaNSK9jIrc
― pplains, Sunday, 25 October 2020 15:12 (three years ago) link
Thx all. They were only weeks (I forget the number) into the mission when all that stuff went down — at least according to the interview with themselves that Bowman & Poole watch at the beginning of the Discovery One segment. Seemed like they were still a lot closer to Earth than Jupiter.
― New Adventures in WiFi (morrisp), Sunday, 25 October 2020 16:00 (three years ago) link
Tbh I don't see Bowman's journey as just being at the level of individual human motivation or decision, or even driven ultimately by 'alien' intervention. It's destiny / telos. Bowman was always going to become the starchild.
― Noel Emits, Sunday, 25 October 2020 16:12 (three years ago) link
Or at least innevitable from the moment the apes encounter the first monolith, if you prefer. I don't know what Clarke would say but that's my feeling from the film.
― Noel Emits, Sunday, 25 October 2020 16:15 (three years ago) link
I wonder if it's possible that Clarke took inspiration from Canticle For Leibowitz. The structure of the two books seems similar, albeit dark mirrors of each other-- Clarke chooses "aliens" as human's salvation, and Miller chooses "God":
Dawn Of Man, the creation of tools = Age of Faith, uncovering ancient civilizationsMonolith On The Moon = the (re-)discovery of the bulbBowman achieves godhood = Humanity euthanizes itself and/or departs Earth
idk. Re-reading Canticle, too, made me wonder if Miller in turn read Paul Bowles, seeing as Miller loves having his protagonists be murdered by "harsh reality"
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 25 October 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link
The older I get, the more funny/delightful I find the Heywood Floyd segment. All the small talk and bureaucratic BS; his “pep talk” in the conference room; the business with the space toilet and sandwiches... it’s all so great.
― New Adventures in WiFi (morrisp), Sunday, 25 October 2020 17:22 (three years ago) link
and his little diplomatic dance with the Russians on the space station
― Brad C., Sunday, 25 October 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I love it... I don’t think anyone in that section of the movie says what they’re “really thinking.”
― New Adventures in WiFi (morrisp), Sunday, 25 October 2020 17:44 (three years ago) link
Floyd is pretty much a figure of fun, in a covert sense - arriving importantly to exert the illusion of control. I think only for Kubrick though, Clarke seems to write him as a capable fixer.
Seemed like they were still a lot closer to Earth than Jupiter.
― assert (MatthewK), Sunday, 25 October 2020 23:21 (three years ago) link