always gotta be the smartest guy in the room dontcha
― j., Friday, 22 February 2019 16:57 (six months ago) link
Somebody's gotta be, goddamnit! (throws case file across the room, stalks out to punch the dash of his squad car between pulls on a flask of cheap whiskey)
― St. Boniface, patron saint of boner faces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:13 (six months ago) link
iirc the question was whether there was a homoerotic subcontext between Tom and West in season 3
I mean, maybe something jumps out later that makes it a definitive no, but given what we've seen you could definitely interpret that
it reads more like empathy from a long-term alcoholic for a closeted gay man who has drinking problems. but hey, ambiguous subtext
― mh, Tuesday, February 19, 2019 1:16 PM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Woke up this morning thinking about the ep I watched last night (still one behind) and I'm now about 93% sure West is gay. His particular affection for Tom, the comments he's made about Hays's allusions to prison rape, the thing about never having been married even though we saw a scene which seemed to suggest otherwise (church lady was a friend/beard, perhaps helping him to pray the gay away). And I'm guessing this revelation is what led to the partners falling out. Probably should ask Pizzolatto and see how pissed off he gets.
― Choose Your Own Disaster (Old Lunch), Saturday, 23 February 2019 14:34 (six months ago) link
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/02/true-detective-roland-gay-tom-theory-daniel-sackheimthe article I was alluding to
― mh, Saturday, 23 February 2019 16:12 (six months ago) link
Why tf is Pizzaman actively debunking theories about his show as it airs, does he not know how TV works? That really bugs me a lot for some reason. Like an author standing over your shoulder as you read and ponder the meaning of his words.
― Choose Your Own Disaster (Old Lunch), Saturday, 23 February 2019 16:51 (six months ago) link
death of the author can’t come soon enough sometimes
― mh, Saturday, 23 February 2019 21:07 (six months ago) link
SPOILERS!...That was... quite good for a season finale, I thought. Definitely better than the Season 1 ending. It was a bit disappointing that the solution to the mystery was exactly what you'd expect it be, based on the hints last week, but the mystery was never the biggest thing here, so it's okay. Some of it felt overwrought and over-explainy, like those soap-operaish flashback scenes showing exactly what happened to Julie, or Amelia's ghost tying the loose ends for Wayne (and for the viewer I guess, but at that point it was already pretty obvious what had happened even without all the exposition), but I did like her explanation that "sometimes the story goes long enough that you become unbroken". And the way Wayne's memory issues tied to the final closure/non-closure was a nice touch. So yeah, good season, decent ending, nothing mind-blowing but I wouldn't mind seeing more of this, if the quality stays up.
There were a couple of weird dramatic choices, though. Like, what was the point of having some creepy/suspenseful music play when Wayne drives to see whether Julie's still out there? We know Hoyt and her daughter are dead, and Junius Watts proved to be harmless, so was there really anyone threatening them anymore? Also, I'm sure someone smarter me can explain the meaning of the very last scene of Wayne in the jungle... The scene before was played like it would fade to the end titles, so I didn't really get what purpose that one extra bit served?
― Tuomas, Monday, 25 February 2019 17:57 (six months ago) link
RESPOSE TO SPOILERS! ...
I liked the ending too, but kinda wish the final reveal had been built up more – more earned, instead of it fed to Hays in that weird dream/hallucination (it was sort of hinted at with "does this feel over?" remark). the grounds keeper over-explaining his family history with maintaining properties was a little eye roll-y with what went down in the first season. and maybe i'm thick, but i didn't see the happy(ish) ending coming.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 February 2019 19:53 (six months ago) link
so - the very very, last scene ending. i think a parallel was being drawn between Hays walking off into the jungle and walking off into his future with Amelia. smarter me might know what those parallels are... both probably terrify him.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 February 2019 20:17 (six months ago) link
That last shot was sort of mystifying. Initially, it felt pretty dark, but current feeling is that it's more compassionate: it represents the way trauma works...it will stay with him, it was *always* there, and that this doesn't make moving forward into the future possible. Or something. There's something important about how his "forgetting" Julie allows his own daughter to return into the picture.
Enjoyed this season (maybe the first half of it a bit more than the second), and hoping there's more.
― ryan, Monday, 25 February 2019 21:21 (six months ago) link
Guys he’s in a *metaphorical* jungle, y’see?
― 29 facepalms, Monday, 25 February 2019 21:41 (six months ago) link
ya, i think a 4th season is in the works.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 February 2019 22:31 (six months ago) link
that shot in the car where they were different ages and shit was truly horrible. so fuckin corny.
dorff was definitely the true detective in this one, ali spent the whole time acting real hard and those endless conversations with the wife were brutal. stoked for the stephen dorff renaissance
― adam, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:16 (six months ago) link
I really liked Dorff in this!
― mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:43 (six months ago) link
I liked the dynamic between the two leads but this was a slog, overall, compared to the precious two seasons. Too much relationship/feelings bla bla and not enough creepy Murrica pulpy stuff.
― Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:55 (six months ago) link
*previous not "precious"
Carmen Ejogo is probably great, but her american accent got to me in this.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 17:30 (six months ago) link
― Number None, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 21:51 (six months ago) link
we are the true detectives!
― calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:04 (six months ago) link
wayne and becca had differing opinions about which song should be removed from sgt pepper's to make the album better. amelia was always a ghost. hoping they're deleted scenes on the DVD. but that's the answer.
― say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:09 (six months ago) link
someone could make fake pizzolatto comments and it’d be the same
― mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:13 (six months ago) link
Pizzalatte maybe needs to stfu imho. Put it up on the fucken screen and then step away, good sir.
This finale was very Return of the King/A.I. in its 'oh guess that's the end...whoops no here's the actual ending I suppose...oh wait it appears that another ending is manifesting as I speak'-ness.
― Choose Your Own Disaster (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:21 (six months ago) link
I mean he put pretty much everything on screen in that finale. Could have done with stepping away a bit earlier
― Number None, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:27 (six months ago) link
I was insanely tired when I watched so I didn't backtrack -- was the woman with the child the same as the woman in the pictures the nun was showing the detectives?
― mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:47 (six months ago) link
either way, I thought the implication was that her story was better left ended
and Hays "solving the case" by actually finding her was the resolution he wasn't going to get -- he gets there, but his memory fails, so he's out there forever stuck on a mission. literally, back in the jungle
― mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:50 (six months ago) link
honestly can't tell if pizzolatto's trolling there but he doesn't seem the type
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 23:48 (six months ago) link
if these are the things he originally felt the show needed or clarifications that have had, we should be congratulating the editors
― mh, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 02:20 (six months ago) link
Mh—- uh, yes. She is The missing girlA twin peaks fb groupPosted some of ghost Amelia’s speech with the image of Cooper at Laura-not-Laura’s door from the finale and I thought it was an interesting parallel:What if there's another story?What if something went unbroken?All this life, all this loss, what if it was really one long story that just kept going and going until it healed itself?(From True Detective Season 3)
― akm, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 06:51 (six months ago) link
i thought this ended well...i nearly bailed after the milch ep, the season lowpoint imo, but it picked up after that; still, i found the tone overall a lil too staid/lifeless, & despite some of the flaws of s1, i much preferred that season
― johnny crunch, Friday, 8 March 2019 16:11 (six months ago) link
yeah i know what you mean--it's the difference between Fukunaga and the rotating cast of directors for this season. Fukunaga managed to inject a bit of supernatural horror into the overall atmosphere that was missing here. S3 was more a straight-ahead mystery/crime story, albeit with weird chronology
― Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Friday, 8 March 2019 23:01 (six months ago) link
Halfway through, liking it fine. Definitely more than 2, and within range at least of 1. Very convincing aging job on the three Ali's. He's great as always (although, as seems to be standard with this show, maybe a little too grim and monosyllabic--but they at least let him lighten up when courting Carmen Ejogo), Dorff is surprisingly good, Ejogo better yet. Deft handling of race--not the focus but there.
― clemenza, Sunday, 10 March 2019 14:53 (six months ago) link
Found the resolution to the Purcell story a little far-fetched, to say the least. (The pink room was left intact for 20 or 30 years? Really? I would think Mr. June might have gotten in there and destroyed it.) As someone points out above, though, that's just one part among many, and overall I found it all pretty absorbing. Not sure if would hold up to a second viewing, as the first season did for me.
― clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 03:31 (six months ago) link
There were some shots of Hays (both younger and older) on the street at night that I thought might have been meant to evoke the opening scene of Get Out.
― clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 13:35 (six months ago) link
(The pink room was left intact for 20 or 30 years? Really? I would think Mr. June might have gotten in there and destroyed it.)
The room was in Edward Hoyt's mansion, and we don't know when exactly died, but West does mention his estate, so presumably the death was fairly recent, and the mansion hasn't been sold yet. So Mr. June probably didn't have the chance to destroy it. But yeah, it doesn't make much sense Hoyt would keep it intact, given that it ties him to well-known crime. Maybe he felt it was a memento of her dead daughter?
― Tuomas, Monday, 11 March 2019 14:41 (six months ago) link
my assumption was that after his death, he left no clear instructions for anyone to deal with the room. June might have just assumed it was someone else's problem, or that it wasn't worth the trouble?
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:52 (six months ago) link
June also subconsciously (well, consciously) wanted to be punished for his crimes, so there's a possibility he wanted it to lead back to him/the Hoyt family.
― Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:55 (six months ago) link
it's possible the estate would be wrapped up in legal crap for years and everyone would be dead by the time someone found a secret room in the basement of a sprawling mansion
kind of fits with the series theme of buildings in disrepair sitting empty for decades
― mh, Monday, 11 March 2019 14:58 (six months ago) link
Yeah, those are all plausible explanations--especially the idea of wanting to be caught.
― clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 15:08 (six months ago) link
Didn't know Michael Rooker would show up, recognized him almost immediately (but took a few seconds to place him--I was thinking, "JFK, JFK..."). Solid actor.
― clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 15:10 (six months ago) link
Michael Rooker fits so well in the world of TD. I'm rooting for him to be one of the leads in the next season, or at least a Dorff-level supporting character.
― Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 March 2019 15:17 (six months ago) link
this was rather lovely.
mr june exposition scene was painful af but allowed the last episode to focus on the relationship and a happy ending, which i was fine with
dorff character is gay for sure but im glad they left it unsaid
plot meh characters good performances good looked great more like this
― ~mine own~ bitcoin (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 March 2019 00:56 (six months ago) link
really liked this, pl complaining about the dialogue are taking themselves too seriously imho, s3 > s1 > s2
― Simon H., Friday, 9 August 2019 12:51 (one month ago) link