Ryan Adams

i don't think the line change in that song is related to adams' abuse of his wife and his girlfriends, or his preying on a teenager. maybe it's objectionable in it's own right -- over-sexualizing a song that isn't his -- but you can easily imagine someone doing that and still not being a sexual predator.

in hindsight, it looks different though, as katherine pointed out. but you could never do it the other way -- combing through someone's lyrics to find red flags and then assuming the worst is true about them

i don't think the line change in that song is related to adams' abuse of his wife and his girlfriends, or his preying on a teenager.

― Trϵϵship, Friday, February 22, 2019 10:25 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mean, no, not literally, doubt unnamed coworker meant it literally either

katherine and brad otm!

as I said before, “we should’ve known" has this implication that there's some small amount of knowledge or examination that would tip the scales to actually knowing someone's abusive, and it's a very close peer to the argument that someone who was in a close relationship with an abuser should have had a moment where they gained that perspective and walked. it's just too close to "they should have known"

as if a single gram of knowledge would clue a person in that someone is an abuser and should be avoided

xp i wasn't suggesting "literally." i was saying like, i don't think someone who wrote a sort of leery lyric in a pop song is more likely to be a sexual abuser than someone who didn't do that, who only wrote christian rock or something

they're independent variables

xp i wasn't suggesting "literally." i was saying like, i don't think someone who wrote a sort of leery lyric in a pop song is more likely to be a sexual abuser than someone who didn't do that, who only wrote christian rock or something

― Trϵϵship, Friday, February 22, 2019 11:03 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

right, this is what I mean by "you can't extrapolate from a record"

that's why i said "as katherine pointed out" in the next post

cool, sorry for misunderstanding

it's ok. i was being sorta redundant

so does jeff tweedy beat women or not

Dreamed about killing someone, and felt all right about it, iirc.

I think it's obviously wrong to say 'we should have known!' but I think conversely it's not wrong to assume that to some extent artists mean what they are saying. Are trying to convey something, which they think is important. I don't think it's wrong to take another look at Adams' lyrics considering what we know now. But I think a weakness in general has been that the cultural sphere has mostly just focused on Adams in the most superfluous way, that he's a bit Gram Parsons, very productive, had a lot of drama. Real critique of his art as art hasn't really taken place anyway.

I think we should ask George "Corpsegrinder" Fisher what he thinks of Ryan Adams' lyrics.

Dreamed about killing someone, and felt all right about it, iirc.

― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain)

i'm ok with that song but i fucking hate "she's a jar" and i refuse to listen to it

probably because "via chicago" puts it front and center instead of fucking around with the listener

Mm, 'failed interventions,' you say.

Ryan Adams says he is coming back after facing abuse allegations in February (https://t.co/s3bDvfQzpa)

...his return to social media comes a few weeks after his manager quit when he told her, “I’m not interested in this healing crap” pic.twitter.com/1LqquJoGzN

— Joe Coscarelli (@joecoscarelli) July 20, 2019

(The text sourcing is the ex-manager's IG.)

Countdown to This Is 50, wherein we find out Ryan perved on Rudd & Mann's daughters.

facepalm @ that Adams tweet

read the fkn room, dude

Street justice, Ryley Walker style

I was the one who took a big nasty dump in your trailer at Winnipeg folk festival and stunk the whole thing up. When a tour manager or handler asked if it was me I denied it but it was me https://t.co/b7BbHqZhCs

— Ryley walker (@ryleywalker) July 20, 2019

Apparently the place he's chosen to publish some kind of "apology/confession" one year on is... The Daily Mail.

I've not read it, so the quotes should indicate my ignorance of and skepticism about whatever he's written. What a choice of outlet for his exclusive soul-baring though.

There used to be a big Ryan Adams vs Rhett Miller fued. One turned out to be a narcissistic creep, while the other is a class act, always doing benefits and other philanthropic work. But a Ryan vs Rhett music poll would be interesting

Mandy Moore having none of it:

Mandy Moore talks about her ex-husband Ryan Adams’ public apology over the weekend regarding allegations of abuse. pic.twitter.com/MQ8j2nvY2L

— TODAY (@TODAYshow) July 6, 2020

But a Ryan vs Rhett music poll would be interesting

The first 4-5 Old 97's records have aged way better than Whiskeytown/Heartbreaker, but my tolerance for sadsack white alcoholic shit is at an all time low (Miller was usually funny about it).

I took my friends to see an Old 97s show a couple of years back, at their request, and while I recall being impressed by them way back when this performance just stunk of schtick and we all left early, bummed. Now, Ryan Adams I've never seen be good live, but there are maybe two or three albums of his I like out of, what 30?

you can def compile maybe 4 extremely strong albums from his full discography, I think. Every album has a few great songs.

a Ryan vs. Rhett poll would be worthless bc obviously everyone would vote for the latter because he's not a giant piece of shit, even though personally in the past I was a way bigger fan of the former.

rhett before he became an all-out pretty boy was classic

I will rep for The Instigator over anything of Adams’.

Pathetic little pissbaby

https://variety.com/2021/music/news/ryan-adams-implores-labels-second-chance-social-posts-1235028344/

Paul Rudd’s character in This Is 40 was ready to sign him…

...but then Ryan hit on his daughters.

A perfect indictment of that whole mindset without realizing it! Well done, Apatow!

Also Exile on Meryl Streep, just fuck off, Adams.

https://funvizeo.com/media/memes/ebd65a38e979292d/donnie-snarko-well-well-well-isnt-consequences-actions-meme-df3ca4aee9567df0-6b9ef54ac6fa1786.jpg

literally no one is stopping you from making music anymore, but a lot of people might not want to hear it. you had your business chance and fucked it. go get a regular job like the rest of us and get on with your life.

He'd make a killing on Cameo.

Don't give him ideas on Cameo or the other thing.

Imagine how bad his credit rating must be.

His whining sounds like Morrissey's. "No major label will give me a huge advance and giant promotional push, wah."

Frames that whole debate about Morrissey at the start if his first solo album a little differently, that's for sure.

We live in a time when it is easier than ever for artists to get their music directly to fans without needing the mechanism of a label to mass produce/distribute/promote so why would someone who probably still has a sizable fanbase who don't care that he is a sexual predator (or at least don't find that to be a barrier) whine about getting dropped by a label? Probably becuz conning A&R dudes & labels into thinking he's the next...something & lavishing him with money and attention is the core of his grift

gosh, imagine having a promising music career suddenly cut short... i wonder if he knows any women who've had that same experience and can give him advice on how to handle it...

He should buy an R/V and go full Nomadland.

sorry about his cat

takes about 10 minutes to set up a Bandcamp

this is weird to me. he sounds too beholden to the old way or something. because Ryan Adams definitely has enough fans - even still - that he can continue to put out his own music and tour and make money.

what he should do is call Jeff Tweedy and just try to copy his playbook. although Jeff might not take his call at this point.

not that i give a shit if Ryan Adams can make music, tour or make money, to be clear.

On his own PAX AM independent label, he has released two albums in the last eight months — “Wednesdays” in December, and “Big Colors” in June — both of which had been scheduled to come out on Blue Note/Capitol before he got dropped. These two recent releases charted in Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands but failed to chart in America or the U.K.

i think x has enough fans is not necessarily true without the major label promotion. fred durst had one of the limp bizkit albums released with no promotional push from the label as an intentional act and it sold poorly.

but ... fuck this guy anyway.

When you have a free ride in the industry for as long as he did, there's probably alot of that business stuff that's out of his grasp, and when it sounds like no one wants to work with him in any capacity...