Sopranos

I was thinking about how I'm kind of glad the Sopranos didn't come out now because there would be endless "toxic masculinity" thinkpieces (which, obv, is a theme of the show, but the discourse on that topic has gotten extremely annoying).

Lol there is two different opinions on him then. Probably some deep seated Arianna jealousy at work, but could never watch him without nitpicking his crap acting.

i think michael imperioli was great in this show

probably harsh of me to single him out as a duff character considering how crap Vito was, and tbf I think he was only really bad in patches and perhaps a lot of it was more down to lazy, shit-writing than the actor.

worst sopranos actors are buscemi vito + lil carmine

pffft

The one that stands out is the episode where Sil gets all pissy about people protesting Columbus Day. About as much like the Sopranos as those cupcake ads in the back of the comic book were like Spiderman

The Sopranos was not just one thing, tho

That one episode was.

I probably haven't gotten to it yet? but good long-running shows are gonna try new stuff, not all of it will work.

it's a bad episode but it has some ok parts. at the end tony is going on his kind of anti-identity politics, why isn't everyone a rugged, stoic individual like gary cooper rant and christopher keeps misunderstanding the point he's making in clueless ways is pretty good

well, i'll be seeing it soon when I resume

https://tv.avclub.com/the-sopranos-christopher-1798167916

Written by Imperioli as it happens

Furio is a pretty good character -- cheerfully entertains little kids, delivers terrifying beatdowns

I seem to recall Furio is an antique collector irl. I could imagine him turning up on bargain hunt after braying the fuck out of someone and genuinely beaming at some delicate little bone china trinket.

Furio and Carmela dancing is classic

just watched the ep where Furio evidently realises it would be a "bad idea" to go any further with Carmela, it's kind of heart-breaking. One of the good things about him as a character (along with Syl and to some extent Paulie) is that you're never given a window into their internal life, you're left to infer this stuff

the Furio/Carm love story has some really well done details, like Carm getting defensive when someone says his ponytail makes him look like he has a cock growing out of the back of his head. And Furio seeing the red mist and getting primal while pissed up Tony is stood close to those rotor blades.

furio wear a super frufru italian shirt to his welcome party then the next time u see him hes dressed jersey doing thug shit

Yeah. He has a “fun shirt” ^2 at that party.

Furio seems at heart a “good boy” who loves his mama. Even in doing extreme violence he is in a sense being a good boy.

everything about furio-carmen is awful

“‘Carmencita,’ Furio asked, ‘don’t you love me any more?’

“She gave me no answer, she was sitting cross-legged on a mat, making marks on the ground with her finger.

“‘Let us change our life, Carmen,’ said Furio imploringly. ‘Let us go away and live somewhere we shall never be parted.

xp have you no soul?

ive the most soul but cmon now

oh that plot thread is totally cheesy and romanticised but that's what makes it good fun I think

yep its pure soap opera grade fluff positive, but nevertheless classic.

kevin k, please keep going with the fan fiction

Furio and Carmela better than her and that priest.

yes but it is p funny when she calls him out for his bullshit

lol the priest is so lame

The way he says "you think I'm a schnorer" is fantastically cringey

Ray Liotta cast in the film

https://deadline.com/2019/02/ray-liotta-the-sopranos-prequel-film-goodfellas-mob-movie-david-chase-the-many-saints-of-newark-new-line-warner-bros-1202566594/

I really don't understand how Gandolfini's son is playing Tony. The kid is 19 this year, the series established Tony's birthdate as 1959/60, and the movie takes place in the turbulent Newark of the '60s.

yeah that doesn't make sense

Hard to wrap my head around Tony only being 39-40 at the start of the series.

It strikes me a lot of episodes that Tony might not be a particularly talented or cunning boss. He’s not dumb and he knows how to survive but he’s not brilliant either and sometimes maybe too soft.

hurting what episode u on? i took a tv break to read a book but i wanna keep up

S2E7 as I post

perf i was s2e9 when i stopped

Lol @ pussy reading “Waste News” — right out of zucker bros.

milo, Gandolfini was 36 or 37 when they shot the pilot.

shot the pilot.

hey no spoilers

Robert Patrick is not very believable as an Italian childhood friend somehow.

he's rubbish but I thoroughly enjoyed Tony rinsing him of just about everything bar the shoes on his feet.

that sequence of events more or less repeats itself in S4 in similarly entertaining fashion

Lol the tie up of the Janis/Ritchie plot was def a little forced.

thats prob got some of the best moments of the entire show imo

Overall I liked the plot, but it felt very "we need to get these characters out before the end of the season." You could feel the writers' cramp -- Ritchie had to die but it didn't quite feel right to have Janis widowed by her own brother while also having the two of them reconcile slightly and having her leave town. I had a hard time reading what Janis's motivation was supposed to be. She's normally very calculating. Was this calculated, or was it a genuine momentary angry reaction to what Ritchie did?

OTOH loved the S2 ending.

https://www.sopranoscon.com/

List of guests includes Goldee, aka Pie-Oh-My

My fave part of the Janice/Ritchie end was Tony's look of amazement when he enters the house and realizes what happened.

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