Should Marijuana be legalised?

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what the hell are they smoking in new hampshire

given all the car wrecks we've had in this country, why on earth should we be giving people bikes?

It's just wishful thinking abt something I p sure I will never see in my lifetime anyway.

― Rocker Brian (Abbbottt), Saturday, January 29, 2011 11:05 AM (eight years ago)

Who's the one dweeb who voted nay?

it was the fuzz

it was someone in new hampshire. one time they know someone who smoked a bowl and immediately jumped out of a window because they thought they could fly

in the middle of that sentence someone asked me a question and i decided to just keep typing and let jesus take the wheel with the post. goddammit jesus

Does weed help with crohn? Asking for two friends. Both have it. Just seems an awful thing to have. :-(

Also the one who voted no: learn to hit the correct answer.

Yes

It has helped my crohns symptoms baseline and quelled flare ups when I have taken extra. I don’t know if it has done anything to the disease at a deeper level. Unfortunately it’s been over a month since I’ve been able to afford it (1:1 tincture is $210 a month in nyc)

let's talk about this sometime jon

Fuck the price is stupid high

Wtf. 210 dollars??? A shop just opened here. They sell med weed at 10/12 euros. Been trying to convince the two ppl suffering from crohn to go. Alas one can't due to religious reasons, the other fears it might influence the impact of other medicine her kid is taking. (Daughter is 20 yo)

can confirm it helps. obviously there are side effects. because it can potentially affect late brain development, i would be hesitant to push for someone younger than their mid-20s to use it regularly unless absolutely necessary.

Oh hell no. She's an adult. Wldnt recommend for a kid.

20 still too young for more-than-occasional use imo (he said hypocritically)

though if her current medication isn't sufficient it's certainly something to consider.

Her diagnosis is very recent though they now realize she's had it since she was 12. But it's sth to consider. Fuck Crohn. :-((((

it help relieve symptoms for sure (i used to use it when i otherwise could not leave my house, now on humira that's not as much as an issue and i mostly use it for pain relief + appetite) and the science isn't quite there yet (mostly they're researching its effects on crohn's in israel) but the anti-inflammation might help w/ the crohn's itself

As an anti-inflammatory, is it even as effective as ibuprofen? Or is the idea that it is less effective but less unhealthy?

I might have mentioned already, but since I had always heard about its benefits for those with glaucoma (which my mother in law takes medicine for) we found that you would pretty much have to be dosing with cannabis on a near non-stop basis to come close to the effects of Rx meds.

I'm really torn about legalization, at least in some regards. It should really be decriminalized, or at least no more criminalized than alcohol, but that kind of elides over the issue that alcohol is not particularly good for you. So it's def. hypocritical and stupid that cannabis is mostly illegal and alcohol isn't, but probably for the vast majority of people neither has many benefits and both have potential drawbacks, health or otherwise. Of course we have tried prohibition, and that didn't work, but there's something kind of ... off about making something at least potentially dangerous freely available just because you can't stop people from using it. It's like a rhetorical circle.

something at least potentially dangerous freely available just because you can't stop people from using it.

decriminalization cannot regulate the black market any more than prohibition can. even if you view it as a potentially dangerous drug, the fact that it cannot be effectively controlled in a black market means that at least a legal market allows us some small measure of regulation and control, and the state can collect taxes that may be used to offset potential harms.

JiC on what basis should the government be restricting people's usage of a plant? "potential drawbacks, health or otherwise" -- if that's your standard there are a lot of things we should ban before cannabis. not just alcohol. maybe we should ban palm oil, artificial sweeteners, high fructose corn syrup and sodas, cigarettes, alcohol, numerous over the counter medicines... humans can abuse all kinds of things and cannabis they can abuse much less than others.

unless you can give me a clear and unequivocal reason why cannabis is dangerous to adults i don't think you need to be a libertarian to believe the govt has no business banning it.

What's "at least potentially dangerous" about weed? Stoned driving?

but probably for the vast majority of people neither has many benefits

alcohol gets you drunk and weed gets you high; demanding more benefits seems plain spoiled

Well, you underscore my point. There are *a lot* of dangerous or potential dangerous things that we allow and/or encourage! From a rhetorical standpoint it seems as tenuous to me to say potentially dangerous product A should be legal because dangerous product B, etc is legal as it is to argue, well, people are just going to do it anyway. Even if both of those things are true! I def. don't think the government should ban it and I never said they should. It definitely benefits some people. The challenge, when it comes to legalization, esp. recreational, is where to draw those lines, those restrictions. Obv. small children shouldn't use cannabis products. How about teens? At what age? How should they be penalized for using under age, or holding at school, or showing up at school high? These are as much social issues as they are legal issues, and these are things people have struggled with for years for all sorts of substances/activities. But it stands to reason that the more legal it gets the more it will be used and abused, so a question becomes how to deal with that and when.

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If you hired a babysitter for your kid, would you rather she be stoned or sober? Would you care?

Like, you're not going to overdose on cannabis, so in that regard it's "safe." But it does alter and impair functions.

(I type, as I sip a delicious cold beer.)

xps. .this is a silly line of questioning. you would presumably want them to be sober.

I know! My point is it's safe, in that you won't die, but it still has an effect that is not always good. Which calls for some degree of regulation. The question is how much.

But it seems to me to be harder to regulate than alcohol.

It's interesting, I should talk to my kids about it. They are so aware of the dangers of tobacco smoke and (unaware) of its previous ubiquity that they react to even a whiff of it in public with total disgust. I wonder what they think of pot smoking (which I don't think they've encountered much of yet, just Juul kids).

(I should say I fully support legalization, I just don't know if everything has been totally thought through yet.)

I barely see students smoking cigs on campus anymore. Last November I asked a class of ninety journalism students if they smoked. Two raised their hands. When I asked how many vaped, about twenty raised their hands. "Should've asked us if we smoked something else," a kid in the front row said.

what do you mean by harder to regulate than alcohol?

basically all the same issues (minimum age for purchase, can't be under the effects of it when you're driving etc.)

I mean it's easier to sneak into places than it is to sneak in alcohol. It is also harder to gauge someone's level of inebriation.

This is total tangent, but a senior at my son's high school was recently stabbed to death by two middle school kids in an apparent botched Juul deal. Point being, there's probably a lot about teens today that we don't quite get either.

Man, my daughter complains about kids in the bathroom Juuling all the time.

I mean it's easier to sneak into places than it is to sneak in alcohol.

Uh... it's super easy to sneak alcohol into places and it doesn't smell. Vodka + Gatorade, the drink of functioning high school alcoholics.

my senior prom was cut short an hour early when some kids puked all over the hilton waikoloa village's bathroom after overindulging in what they'd snuck past the staff in salad dressing bottles

maybe they OD's on thousand island dressing? I would.

zesty

Josh: Convince me.
Everyone: These arguments convince us.
Josh: I still need more convincing.

Me: Think about the options as long as you need and if you still aren't convinced, well, OK. Be that way.

There's no guarantee that marijuana will never harm anyone in any way, or lead to some situation you find undesirable. Wanting that is like crying for the moon. Figure out where the least harm lies. That's the only approach that can deal with this kind of issue.

The results we are getting with our current approach do massive amounts of harm in my view. How about you convince me the harms you fear are worse?

Weed stores have been open in Washington for what feels like forever now, and the worst problem they’ve caused is gentrification

my senior prom was cut short an hour early when some kids puked all over the hilton waikoloa village's bathroom after overindulging in what they'd snuck past the staff in salad dressing bottles

― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, February 26, 2019 8:17 PM (eleven minutes ago)

look, I said I was sorry

i was ready to go tbh

Possible link to increase in pedestrian deaths:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/business/pedestrian-deaths-marijuana.html

decrease in pedestrian lives tho