Irish politics discussion thread

ive a mate, referenced itt iirc, and he worked in an oversight (insofar as allowed) capacity over the nnghardaí and its the only item he ever gave me the pokerface on

this sounds dodgy as.

gombeen men afoot

i cant tease out whether they're covering corruption (general or on behalf of either faction) or incompetence (trial apparently majorly compromised due to basic procedural errors) but theyre blatantly covering

cant ask anything about a 'tragic death' im afraid. case closed.

gubu

get that right up ya dob u cunt

we'll talk about it in here so i spose

the statement by SoS for NI made to the house of commons yesterday is not just a resigning matter but should be an international scandal the scale of which should see ambassadors, foreign ministers and idk any human rights, justice or military union either country is involved in involved and investigating as a priority

its not as important as internal labour party intrigue obv but hey this is probably a good reminder that yknow countries really should rule themselves

Cmon deems I did bump The Irish!

But yeah it’s a complete disgrace. I was reading some of the Ballymurphy stuff yesterday and nearly in tears overvit.

sorry ive been off ilx today, my mistake.

new statesman cover is choice

It surely is a thing that exists. NS besides S Bush is largely shite anyway but between this cover & the Guardian cover, supposed liberal UK doesn’t give a fuck about us either.

Enjoyed seeing the shadow defence secretary having to row back yesterday.

What’s the coverage like at home?

about what specifically? brexit is off from what i can tell

The statute of limitations stuff

tbh ive not seen a lot on it rly

well now

dont particularly feel like johnson is capable of actually maintaining a run but rly its no matter itll be some bad cunt in charge of dictating terms to us between now and October.

Think literally all the candidates are either extremely bad or awful on the Irish question, but they’re not going to be any better than May at handling it so

ok irish ppl

the journal says if you hate a candidate, put nothing against them

i think you start with ranking those you like in order of preference, and once youve exhausted your positive energy (happens quite quickly) then take the list and starting from bottom put the lowest available preference against the fucker you most want to block, then iterate up. that way you express a preference at every possible transfer that might come up.

which is right

You're right, but some of those transfers won't be all that likely - though it fills up your negative energy for the rest of the day!

its fuckin killin me to put a number against fully two thirds of em but anything that keeps ben and the prolifers and irexit crew bottom must be done

deems I have it on excellent authority that my family (well those of us with the vote in Ireland) are voting for yr cousin & my parents would never have voted green in their lives

she is coming across v well and look we're a solid bunch on the island what can I say

God’s own country, apart from the time I capsized a kayak there.

allah's own country https://www.joe.ie/uncategorized/misread-achill-celtic-supporters-flag-causes-quite-a-stir-after-being-mistaken-for-islamic-banner-334820

ye forget nothing

Iran, Iraq, Ireland...

bernie has stated he will fight any planned invasion of ta'allah

locals wont be very clear til tomorrows figures start comin in but in europe greens look well ahead of expectations

A functional foreigner asks - have the Greens leveraged a connection with the larger movements / awareness elsewhere, or have the people who declared they'd never vote for those arseholes again cycled through all the other arseholes?

col a col b

think theres some good young voices across the board, but the ones coming through the big parties were noticeably weak and anodyne in contrast.

whether the indies or smaller party talent can work out a way of functioning effectively enough to impact how a GE goes or whether theyre just trying to get invited into the tent will make for an interesting watch

do think climate and housing/planning/transport policy are the big topics on the ground for the euros/locals so the green surge probably reflects that rather than being all protest.

we have one irexit candidate and hes taking good advantage of a non-split vote at 0%

ppl give out and we're obv an awful shambles but listen dont the other lot make us look good at the same time

https://m.soundcloud.com/rte-radio-1/maria-bailey-1

someone gimme a listen here and let me know if its the kind of thing we should send out to wider ilx on a franchise basis or w/e, im too close here

greens vote looks overstated on exit polls which might mean a few seats less than expected, particularly disappointing for our saoirse but a hell of a debut for her on the political stage

ppl give out and we're obv an awful shambles but listen dont the other lot make us look good at the same time

Low bar but yeah - I remember watching some videos on Twitter of people being excited at the tally for the gay marriage referendum and thinking about heading home.

daenerys baker (darraghmac) wrote this on thread Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread. on board I Love Everything on 29-May-2019

lads

if we are to have a generically lazy brit bashing thread i feel it would go some way towards healing the wounds of a few weeks back if ye were to host it in its natural thread, the irish politics thread

let the record note the contempt with which this suggestion was treated

ukilxor self-contempt is as performative as any other rite of postcolonial privilege

I saw, and turned my face away at shame for my two adopted homes.

Where is Andrew Farrell's true home? Poll.

Please can we discuss this video and these pictures

On my visit to Ireland it's clear we cannot have a No Deal Brexit. pic.twitter.com/3KjOBE9NmE

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) May 30, 2019

President Michael D. Higgins with British Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn, meeting at Áras an Uachtaráin this morning. pic.twitter.com/62DUlNVfWJ

— President of Ireland (@PresidentIRL) May 30, 2019

Good meeting with @jeremycorbyn in @merrionstreet today on Northern Ireland, #Brexit and Westminster. Main topics were restoring power sharing in Northern Ireland, our shared concerns about a no deal scenario, and avoiding a hard border. We’ll be staying in touch pic.twitter.com/bhM1yun7CZ

— Leo Varadkar (@LeoVaradkar) May 30, 2019

Great discussion with Irish Taoiseach @LeoVaradkar on the importance of ensuring an open border between the Republic and Northern Ireland, as well as maintaining a close trade relationship with Europe.

We must avoid the damage to our economy that No Deal would cause. pic.twitter.com/linM6mJsJe

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) May 30, 2019

Nice they'll be staying in touch

Britvic discontinued its Drench and Pennine Spring water brands in Britain in favour of Ballygowan

interesting footnote in bottled water history: Yorkshire couldn't boast that the natural spring under the old Ben Shaws factory was holy and used by the Knights Templar + got completely owned by Limerick!

I've never quite worked out Irish pay rates. an inlaw was earning 45k in her 1st entry-level admin job in Dublin several years back which made us go ???* but that side of the family always seems to land on its feet and be oblivious to their good fortune so I hesitate to assume it's representative

* our confusion was that this sounded like a lot, just to clarify, seeing as we had a conversation at cross-purposes with step-MIL along similar lines at one point, where we expressed surprise at someone (else)'s salary bcz it sounded high to us and she agreed with our surprise then said "that's terrible, how can anyone live on that?" uh... never mind

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hi aps

felt it rather better to bring it here

i take it this offspring sprung off from a reasonably comfortable family? nothing unusual in the phenomenon that aspirations/understanding of what is tolerable is as tied to the manner and modes in which one (or one's family) has become accustomed to living over here as it is anywhere else.

South dublin would be the very typical base of the type of dynasty that would certainly be disappointed if fiachra had to settle for anything less than 65k after getting out of trinners, for instance, because fiachra could hardly be expected to get a season ticket at donnybrook and a two bed in ranelagh for himself on anything less than that.

dublin is v liveable in or around 40k imo, and by that i mean flaneur about town* type of living**

*the cheaper but better parts obv

**please note the flaneur never aspires to owning an actual property within commuting distance

c.28k is about right as NN says for a starter out of a generic college course, your choice of career depending you should fly up from that or not etc etc

down the country you can live on about a fiver a month, thats to own and run a fair sized village inc blacksmith and a working port

seems that we'll be getting a brexit then, whether the huge majority makes it more or less likely towards the no-deal end of the spectrum a matter of some debate.

otherwise, a GE will be likely in feb, and if trends across the water are any indicator a return of some sort for fg would be in order

online chatter would have them out, obv, but i think we've seen how unreliable that actually is tbf

https://www.redcresearch.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/SBP-November-2019-Poll-Report.pdf

Fascinated by the demo breakdowns here - big gap between FF & FG with female voters? Old people being blueshirts is clear enough.

interesting alright.

i dont know that FF would go for another stint in the current setup, certainly it would be fuel for mcgrath to push against martin if he tried it

fg(or ff)/green/lab ticks a lot of boxes if a coherent manifesto could come out of it at all

wonder if the latter two would have any interest in a pre-pact themselves to see what they could eke out

thing about old people, they tend to be replaced in their age group by old people

im not sure that will stay true as successive generations experience a lower quality of life, youd think/hope not, but as an electorate i also think we tend to weight up any putative alternative option quite warily also?

Surely same factors at home as over here? But ia, civil war politics is a hell of a drug. I always laugh at people here who call themselves “politically homeless” but then if I did move home I don’t know who I’d ever vote for.

Also, I can’t stop thinking about John Finucane.

FG in 5th place with 'the kids' is interesting, but presumably incumbency counts for some of that?

(a bad paddy asks) What caused the drop off in independent support in 2016? Specific issues, or "I was able to picture myself giving them my first preference, and burst out in giggles"? Or was it just that it crystallised out into Renua / Social Democrats / Solidarity?

idk, i mean over there brexit just got into everything

theres some trepidation here about the place, but i really dont get the impression that most ppl would have it in mind as voting approaches. key that whatever happens or doesn't wont be any party's fault on this side, really.

other than that, there's about three different countries voting- comfortable/not, homeowner/not, rural/dub.

theres not a majority out of any of them, and yeah civil war or not the central two are the vehicles we have one way or the other, which is why i think green/lab key and might actually have their pick

fg unpopular, have been ruling to not-great results on the things key to the left, bit can still point to hand they were dealt, referendums were nice werent they, stability, yadda yadda

ff a more natural ally on the spectrum, have facilitated stability while not being to blame for anything as such, but eesh its ff yknow

the range of quite-likely results is quite energising tbh