"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

Let’s leave tankie fantasy land for a moment and talk japanese trade.

1) UK votes for Brexit
2) Nutters define Brexit without a trade relationship with anyone
3) japan and EU do a trade deal, which amongst other things makes it easier for japan to export cars into Europe ( presumably with reciprocal rights for European manufacturers
4) intended or unintended consequence is there is less need to make Japanese cars in Europe - where are more Japanese cars made than anywherelse in Europe
5) Japanese start announcing closures of plans and production lines
6) EU trade negotiators laugh

In the meantime UK takes a Prince Phillip approach to negotiations and gets laughed out of town. When will these fuckers learn that being weak and on your own means eating whatever shit is served up.

Can't wait until there's a split within the split and individuals start sitting as "independent (non grouped) group" or whatever, like when people fall out on local councils

— Freddie Whittaker (@FCDWhittaker) February 19, 2019

For example, I give you the current political make-up off the Forest of Dean District Council pic.twitter.com/W8eqs0JutE

— Freddie Whittaker (@FCDWhittaker) February 19, 2019

The Japanese trade deal does afaict include reciprocal rights for European car manufacturers - so all those German car makers that were going to bring the EU to heel are going to be shipping their stuff to Tokyo in seven years’ time on zero tariffs.

However, even pre-Brexit the UK was the spoiler on the EU’s proposed Chinese steel dumping tariffs, which was fairly awful for the domestic industry.

1) UK votes for Brexit
2) Nutters define Brexit without a trade relationship with anyone

The PV mindset for all to see. People are stupid, unable to understand the ins and outs of boring stuff like Japanese car trade deals. They are deceived by nutters (some of whom aren't nutters and know their way around politics and how to shape the future they want, however ghastly and short-sighted). No matter we will talk to people about the Japanese car trade deal and get them to see they were deceived and vote Remain.

Never mind we will need to look at the way transport will change as the planet burns up.

And I'm the one in fantasy land.

Ok not nutters, evil schming fuckers who would rather see the world burn than loose a short run brass farthing.

If your waiting to see if they capsize capitalism or burn up the world first then that is a sad place to be.

Not waiting for a thing. Just noting that Brexit/our changing relationship with Europe is one of a number of things happening and just not that big on the grand scheme of things as the world turns - that was off on a tangent, from an exchange last night.

excuse me - who is determined to what now ?

Derek Hatton on @BBCNews right now calling on @lucianaberger to resign. Seems Labour are determined to turn a crisis into a disaster.

— Alex Andreou (@sturdyAlex) February 19, 2019

rerun the ABOLISH THE BBC poll now

who da fuq is derek hatton

should note that our actual parliament has *some* elements of what AF's tweets describe and yknow its ok, really. youve to convince some narrowminded hobbyhorse lunatics to come along with you on any given journey, hey that's life

xyz ive had practice at living in mountains above sealevel ill be ok i think. the revolution or the apocalypse will or wont happen independent of the uk politics thread which is an ok distraction in the "will happen exactly as predicted" case and probably quite important in the "mightnt happen as predicted case"

we've all just got different styles/priorities in the waiting game rly its cool its cool

derek hatton is a tankie so utopian he fought council budget cuts under thatcher

Derek Hatton wrote this deeply vile article about the Belfast rape trial last year.

Thoughts on rape apologism and people on the left warmly welcoming Derek Hatton back to the Labour Party. pic.twitter.com/u3kvcIzWHP

— Rachael O'Byrne (@rachael_obyrne) September 28, 2018

jesus that's grim

Is anyone actually warmly greeting Derek Hatton back to the Labour Party?

we are in the darkbantz timeline so yes

"Alan Brazil and Hatton on about discipline for all" even the great MES thought he was almighty twat.

Looks good for 71, though.

Looked better as Robert Lindsay tbh

you can afford top notch plastic surgery and hours of gym time, when you are a parasitic landlord with loads of props top bloody socialist!

Is anyone actually warmly greeting Derek Hatton back to the Labour Party?

Aaron Bastani did. The timing of all this is unhelpful to say the least but it's a cracking couple of days for fans of "they're on our side so it doesn't matter".

https://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/stumbling_and_mumbling/2019/02/the-irrelevant-independent-group.html

This is very good, specifically this:

It claims that our politics is “broken”, but is blind to the fact that capitalism is broken too, and that this is a major cause – perhaps the major cause – of our broken politics. Phil says the IG has “learned nothing, nothing since 2015.” I’d question only the year here: it seems it has learned nothing since 2008.

Now, you might reply that it’s unreasonable to expect a new political grouping to have detailed policies. True enough. The problem with the IG, though, isn’t that it doesn’t have solutions: it’s that it doesn’t even see a problem. There’s a good debate to be had about how far capitalist stagnation can be fixed by fiscal and monetary policy alone, and how far it needs institutional change too. The IG shows no sign of entering this debate, though.

yeah, otm

their answer to fixing our broken politics appears to be 'blairism' which is a pretty remarkable act of self-deception but not much use on any other level

Lots of these putative "voices of the left" are complete pumpers. They might as well get on the CCHQ payroll for all the good they do.

big boy b4st4ni has previous

For this quiet day, why not try The Social Review giving Chris Leslie a thorough kicking?

https://www.thesocialreview.co.uk/2019/02/18/the-very-real-limits-of-chris-leslies-non-ideological-ideology/

Aaron Bastani did

Anyone who is not themselves a dick?

well this is the issue isn't it

what if politics but no dicks

https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02846/commons_2846175b.jpg

politics of the penis, my new one-man show, coming to the edinburgh fringe this summer

ew

why do u hate art

The Indie Pendulous Group

govt moving to revoke shamima begum's citizenship apparently

Disgusting government. They’ll probably lose the decision.

you mean Unelected Judges will use Perverse Human Rights Laws to overturn Javid's Brave Act ?

I meant the Enemies of the People, yeah.

Jfc that is a fucking disgrace if true

govt moving to revoke shamima begum's citizenship apparently

― ||||||||, Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:51 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

considering it would leave begum stateless it seems like surely that's no legal?

(in canada you can have your citizenship revoked for involvement in terrorism but it only affects dual citizens)

“Please find enclosed papers that relate to a decision taken by the home secretary, to deprive your daughter, Shamima Begum, of her British citizenship,” the letter read, according to the programme.

“In light of the circumstances of your daughter, the notice of the home secretary’s decision has been served of file today (19 February), and the order removing her British citizenship has subsequently been made.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/19/isis-briton-shamima-begum-to-have-uk-citizenship-revoked

it's fine - I'm sure there are no security implications for us letting a bunch of IS fighters wander about around the syria-lebanon border while stateless

Jim, I'm sure I read yesterday that they may be able to do it because her mum has Bangladeshi citizenship, or that was at least one of the lines that would be tried.

Jim, I'm sure I read yesterday that they may be able to do it because her mum has Bangladeshi citizenship, or that was at least one of the lines that would be tried.

― michaellambert, Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:47 PM (fifty-two seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

creates a real 2 tier level of citizenship. "you're a bit foreigny so we can take your citizenship away because you did bad things"

Yep & provides red meat to every racist in the country. Unfortunately the UK deciding human rights don’t apply to certain groups of people isn’t anything new - see internment, Guantanamo Bay...

Windrush

Extraordinary rendition.

this is so shortsighted too

there’s a whole bunch of other IS repatriation cases in the pipeline - I don’t want a bunch of connected, stateless IS fighters milling about the middle east. how can that be good for UK security ? I mean it’s not syria or its neighbours are in a position to try and detain them

looking forward to a definitive ruling on what actions by UK citizens abroad lead to loss of citizenship

Is Gary Glitter still a citizen?

Javid would revoke his own UK citizenship before Gary Glitter's.