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theres def a rock critic reverence for all things spiritual hat at the expense of 'conservative' hard bop (what makes one conservative and one not decades later is left to the vague aesthetic rationalizations of the consumer)

heh it's not really a debate when the entire thread piled on you, is it?

if i was wrong maybe it wouldnt be a debate

an awful lot of hard bop made it,no? I know I voted for a lot of it.

Probably just depends on what the performer is wearing

it was a fun poll to do though

xxxp for me this would have been the North Sea jazz festival I think in 1996? And I did in fact also see an underwhelming Wayne Shorter set that I can’t remember much else about (I was already a fan of his blue note albums at the time so it was a letdown).

For me Coltrane was at his best in the 1961 Village Vanguard sessions, but Interstellar Space is up there with the best ones for me.

the vast majority of artists we like would make terrible ilxors

For me Coltrane was at his best in the 1961 Village Vanguard sessions

for me too

Controversial nowhere but ILX: if you prefer Meditations, Ascension, or OM to any Coltrane prior to 1965, you are insane

― Paul Ponzi

any or all? because he did some stuff for junk money that is not necessarily up to the standard of "meditations"

Agree re village vanguard 1961, prob tied with the impulse self-titled for my fav Coltrane.

live at birdland is prob my number 1 tbh

ahhh spiritual hat jazz ... a legendary debate

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, February 18, 2019 3:29 PM (three hours ago

for posterity, please link? personally the stuff I tend to like ends up being right before the spiritual hat phase, so maybe i like avant-hat jazz? idk instinctively i feel like there is a lot of taste overlap between ppl who are into krautrock and psych and "spiritual hat jazz" ... maybe it's less so here than w/my friends ... idk

Oh Sun Ship is another fav though as far as later Coltrane. Sometimes I think elvin and McCoy sound frustrated by the Be direction on the later albums, but on that one the tension is good.

By the *new* direction

this is the jazz poll

JAZZ IS LIKE HEROIN TO ME ! ! ! ~~~~ ILM POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL - THE RESULTS COUNTDOWN (now counting top 25!)

dunno where exactly the spiritual hat debate kicks off, but it continues at length and throughout

I still reckon peak Coltrane is the title track off Ole. Even thinking about it makes me want to run up a mountain and hoof an angry bull right in the spuds.

Big Star are terrible except for 'Holocaust' and (especially) 'Kanga Roo'.

I think those are two beautiful songs that attempt to make you think that (but it’s not true, the first two albums are perfect)

Most of the rest of Third is bad tho

I think the last time I got annoyed by a music opinion on ILX was abt 15 or more years ago, when mark s said Big Star were roughly on a par w/ Wishbone Ash - so I'm p impervious to Big Star challopsing now

I had no idea you were such a big Wishbone Ash fan, WF.

I've been trying hard against unbelievable odds

if the music you make isn't mostly autobiographic, it's trash. worthless.

^ good controp. don't agree with it however

Spicy but totally and utterly wrong

That is ridiculous

I'm of the opinion that everything you write is autobiographical, this post is autobiographical

And that, conversely, the least autobiographical writing is... autobiography, really. If you're writing something about a fictional dude who is doing fictional things, that tells your own story more accurately than if you give the Totally True Account Of What Happened Yesterday To Exactly You, which will be all slant and style and won't really be accurate at all

if the music you make isn't mostly autobiographic, it's trash. worthless.

― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:10 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i almost feel the opposite

though there are no rules! that's the problem with this thread, nothing is always true when it comes to music

my fav neil young quote is when asked if he music was autobiographical, he said, "i don't want listeners to think about me, i want them to think about themselves"

I don't want to think about Neil Young either!

that's why music with vocals is only good 30%-40% of the time.

DOUBLIN` DOWN BITCHES

i think Tonight's the Night gets a lot more notice because of its supposed autobiographical slant but it's not an autobiographical album, it just references a guy he knew in a couple songs (the same song really) and turns it into a rumination on death.

music with lyrics is for children

The solipsistic view of art where it can only be understood through "identification" leaves no room for expansion of horizons, also it's deeply patronising to both artists and audience.

there's an old big star thread where someone says they sound like kiss, that was a way weirder opinion than just thinking big star are bad

it can only be understood through "identification" leaves no room for expansion of horizons

if this is the case, the author needs to consider another vocation.👍🏻

was so disappointed when I realized Brotha Lynch Hung hadn't ate all them peoples

Levon Helm was not in the Civil War

https://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2009_In_the_Electric_Mist/009IEM_Levon_Helm_002.jpg

Big Star are terrible except for 'Holocaust' and (especially) 'Kanga Roo'.

― pomenitul, Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:40 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

To paraphrase something a soundguy once said about my own band, "They sound like a box of cereal."

Amen. I like Teenage Fanclub and the theme from That 70s Show much better than Big Star.

B-b-but the theme from That 70s Show IS Big Star.

Cheap Trick playing Big Star tbf, but still a Big Star song.

they sound like a box of cereal because there's a Box Top in them

I love Big Star and Teenage Fanclub but Cheap Trick is way better than both

Hm, Big Star vs Cheap Trick is tough. I def prefer the original "In the Street". Might take the first two Big Star albums over any given Cheap Trick album. Cheap Trick rock me harder but Big Star give me ~feelings~ in a way that Cheap Trick don't quite get to.

Cheap Trick playing Big Star tbf, but still a Big Star song.

― silent as a seashell Julia (Sund4r), Thursday, February 21, 2019 11:40 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That was my point.

they sound like a box of cereal because there's a Box Top in them

If this setup/punchline was serendipitous (and not somehow coordinated), many +++'s

Big Star is better than these other bands mentioned come on

big star whips ass and anyone who thinks they suck sucks

sorry i thought this was the post your very popular music opinions thread

Jazzy/EZ stereolab is the best stereolab