"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/18/good-riddance-penistone-locals-have-their-say-on-labour-angela-smith-resignation

Inspired by #LabourSplit, I am resigning from the Dept. of Politics @ Concrete Hope to form a new Independent Academic Network (membership =me); this is not a new Dept. but could develop into one. For now I remain in my office but won’t be obeying orders to teach or see students.

— Prof. Brit Pol (@ProfBritPol_PhD) February 18, 2019

The questions around Europe will never be settled, the relationship is going to be consistently in flux and the country is going to be arguing about this for decades.

this stuff sounds boilerplate but it really is lack of:

1) vision - to see that this could fucking happen
2) leadership - to say shut the fuck up ERG and if you don't like it try your luck with paul nuttall

taking about cameron obv

L

that Angela Smith graun piece has a very misleading url, i think it was only the old lad who looks like a 17th pirate in the photo who actually says good riddance - fair play to him though.

17th century

The outcomes around Brexit might be settled in a few weeks, in some way. And Corbyn is around for that.

In terms of the future the what to do about Europe question will take a back seat to climate change. In a few years we might laugh that we even gave it that much thought in the first place. xps to Matt

Well yes we're fiddling while the earth burns but good luck dealing with climate change without greater international cooperation.

Don’t make me laugh, I can almost guarantee that every issue from now on will be seen through the lens of Europe. Either comparing the UK to Europe or saying whatever issue would be better solved in/out/in a different relationship with Europe.

Outside Europe there will be no money and the ERG fuckers will be pushing for all pollution controls, labour market rules, everything else to be sent back to Victorian times. Inside Europe and they’ll be pushing the side of the bus bullshit.

Outside Europe they’ll be no money and if labour gets in then they’ll spend a lot of energy and political capital patching up the UK’s relationship with the rest of the world from a very weak position.

Inside Europe well patching up has to happen and the whole russian/hedge fund/tinpot Machiavelli orchestrated shit show continues.

Whichever way things go feelings of division and betrayal will dominate politics for decades.

At least the economic slump with be good for the environment.

At best, and this is pure fantasy, Corbyn squeaks in with a hung parliament supported by a rainbow coalition of nats, libs, the Indy tinge and he somehow trades of a second referendum for electoral reform, devo max and a rainbow unicorn.

Yes Matt international coorperation which means Europe and the rest of the world. A lot of it really feels like a fiddle while the world burns for sure.

Lol no one is going to care on whatever agreement is passed through fucking Parliament, or what the ERG does or doesn't do when we see consequences from the world burning up. Coorperation is what will be needed and no one is going to listen to the ERG saying 'uh this is a betrayal we voted to leave back in 2016'. Its peanuts.

lol that posh young self-identifying Blairite on ITV news from Penistone was a real piece of work.

Kirsty Wark doing her darnedest to persuade another Labour MP to resign.

lmao

"We look forward to him being annihilated by the Labour party candidate and being consigned to the dustbin of history where he belongs."

Chair of Luton South CLP - the HERO we don’t deserve 😍pic.twitter.com/vPsUt9QdgN

— “funny tinge” Patel🌹 (@CorbynistaTeen) February 18, 2019

those high-vis protester twats in Leeds need to fuck off + die quite soon please, and all the other ex-EDL twats taking on other forms. I read this quite nuanced piece on the French version which concluded it's a genuinely head-spinningly confusing mix of neo-fascists, conservative farmer type twats and lefties. The UK version however seems to be a much narrower church.

The quote I took from that piece was "I vote Tory, how am I far right?" Still let's talk some more about how anti-Semitic and racist the Labour Party are.

Flatcap guy is a dwarfist.

shit. cancelled

Lol no one is going to care on whatever agreement is passed through fucking Parliament, or what the ERG does or doesn't do when we see consequences from the world burning up. Coorperation is what will be needed and no one is going to listen to the ERG saying 'uh this is a betrayal we voted to leave back in 2016'. Its peanuts.

― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 9:22 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They will still be arguing about this item on newsnight long after the sea starts lapping around Kirsty Wark’s ankles.

https://goo.gl/images/pBfrmo

https://smtimes.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/1-3.jpg

"stop! only red passports allowed!"

I think I missed the lol window but if a mod could insert a Tinge & Brexit placeholder for me in yesterday’s bantzstream, I’m still working on the pun

Was on a Monday morning the gapes-man came to call

I've seen some interesting takes in my time but "Brexit is not going to have any effect because everyone will have to unite to fix global warming" is a level of optimistic contortionism I'm almost envious of.

Mike...thank you for your service. pic.twitter.com/8vobOdIMbk

— Reel Politik podcast (@reel_politcast) February 18, 2019

this mornings news cycle has been depressing let’s have some memes instead

pic.twitter.com/1RFfLrDV7T

— Comité Howard Zinn de Verdad y Reconciliación (@ZinnTruther) February 18, 2019

had to laugh at phil collins (former blair bff) on ch4 news last night - as an outrider for the PFI group - saying that if they’re viewed as continuity_blairism they will fail

ummm

re: talk of safe seats, ann coffey has been stockport mp since 92 when she took it from the tories and is very popular personally so I think she has a shot at keeping her seat, although I guess she would vote in line with labour nearly all of the time

Listen. We've done the research on this. In key marginals, vague mid-90s third wayism proved slightly more favourable than the concept of an imminent apocalypse.

— Simon Hedges (@Orwell_Fan) February 19, 2019

I've seen some interesting takes in my time but "Brexit is not going to have any effect because everyone will have to unite to fix global warming" is a level of optimistic contortionism I'm almost envious of.

― FernandoHierro, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Choose your fear. Ed gets off on project fear (off we go to Victorian Times lol). Mine is just more realistic. Two billio deaths, that kind of thing.

we can probably have both.

look, that's the kind of reaching-across-the-aisle compromise which we here at the independent group are committed to bringing to the uk's broken politics

let's all join together and agree that the only pragmatic response to climate catastrophe is machine-gunning desperate refugees as they paddle across the channel on rickety makeshift rafts

each and every one of those machine-gunners has a family to support and this vibrant new coastal defence industry will create thousands of british jobs for british people

are you... John Lanchester???

god i hope not

TBH if two billion of us are going to die in a burning fireball then the question of which faction leads the Labour Party isn't especially important either.

Or instead of making these banal relativist statements you could engage with what environmental organisations have been saying. Hint it's not "hey in a few years we'll wonder what all the fuss was about".

Hitler's Atlantic Wall project was given such urgency that at one point brickies were getting paid than brain surgeons in the Reich. Some of these Labour Right folks would be impressed with such a fine job creation scheme that deals with legit concerns as well!

so should the leadership heed watson’s artfully emollient entreaty for compromise OR see this as a continuation of the bullshit chicken coup, itself the morbid manifestation of the PLP’s irreconcilability w the views of membership

Talk to Ed about banal relativist statements, Matt - he was clearly off on one last night.

The future of organisations like Labour are more important to shaping the future than the outcome of Brexit. Not Immediately so, Brexit is what we are mostly talking about and any potential no-deal scenario will take all our time in the immediate future - but I am not convinced that our relationship to Europe that we are setting up now will define us for decades.

Forget any Brexit bill amendments - the Paris agreement is already looking inadequate to tackle anything at the moment.

brexit is a mere bump in the road to the glorious .......

It won't be glorious at all - it will hard work to undo the damage of capitalism. I know you love it but forget Luxury communism. Be prepared to put some hours in Darragh.

Rumours spreading that Soubry and a couple of others are off to Independent Island

I'm holding out for the Green Labour merger once all the centrists have gone

Rumours spreading that Soubry and a couple of others are off to Independent Island

― imago, Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:50 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I know just the Island for these brave souls!

So they take 1% from the Tories, 2% from Labour, and 4% from... the LibDems. 🤣 pic.twitter.com/TnYPVrxTkg

— Dylan (@dylanhm) February 18, 2019

Let’s leave tankie fantasy land for a moment and talk japanese trade.

1) UK votes for Brexit
2) Nutters define Brexit without a trade relationship with anyone
3) japan and EU do a trade deal, which amongst other things makes it easier for japan to export cars into Europe ( presumably with reciprocal rights for European manufacturers
4) intended or unintended consequence is there is less need to make Japanese cars in Europe - where are more Japanese cars made than anywherelse in Europe
5) Japanese start announcing closures of plans and production lines
6) EU trade negotiators laugh

In the meantime UK takes a Prince Phillip approach to negotiations and gets laughed out of town. When will these fuckers learn that being weak and on your own means eating whatever shit is served up.

Can't wait until there's a split within the split and individuals start sitting as "independent (non grouped) group" or whatever, like when people fall out on local councils

— Freddie Whittaker (@FCDWhittaker) February 19, 2019

For example, I give you the current political make-up off the Forest of Dean District Council pic.twitter.com/W8eqs0JutE

— Freddie Whittaker (@FCDWhittaker) February 19, 2019