"oh you don't get me I'm the end of the union": lol brexit is how we're all gonna die

The fundamental divide between the Labour splitters is over the new party that will emerge, the sources said. Several MPs including Chris Leslie and ringleader Chuka Umunna hope to be at the forefront of a new “centrist” party modelled on Angela Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union and Emmanuel Macron’s En Marche.

ah yes, the centrist CDU

en shart

Excuse me "terf" is a slur. We prefer to be known as Trans Exclusionary Moderate Feminists"

— The Independent Group (@The_Indie_Group) February 18, 2019

just tinged my monitor

tinge benefritz

Oh and by the way Honda's fucking off as well.

Can't for the life of me imagine why no other Labour MPs volunteered to be cannon fodder.

Also they probably know that if you quit a party because of a man approaching his 70s at a particularly febrile and unstable period in history without a very good reason then you're an idiot. Also the right wing Labour MPs who stayed in and didn't join the SNP eventually won.

Also this:

NEW: 30 Labour MPs held talks about quitting the party in what was originally planned as a far more damaging assault on Jeremy Corbyn, but only 7 went ahead with the plan today amid chaotic disagreements over strategy, organisation and personalitieshttps://t.co/6NBClmCTme

— Alex Wickham (@alexwickham) February 18, 2019

SNP or SDP?

also: it's an alex wickham joint stuffed w/anonymous quotes, which is his dubious speciality a bit :|

I don't think Mike Gapes has much of an eye on the 2020's/2030's long game tbf!

mind he is *only* 66 but only looks about two decades older than that, obv not a great mushroom falafel lover!

I did indeed mean SDP not SNP.

They did well to get Luciana Berger on board so they get at least some good press, otherwise this is so obviously the Chris & Chuka show.

im watching these ppl now on c4 news they seem like oily scum are they oily scum

Whats the gameplan for these? i dont understand if there is one or not

They must assume no election is coming because they'd all lose their seats (but idk, with likes of Chukka hubris may blind him to that?)

The idea is to smoke out some others, but why now a month ahead of brexit? Are they going to vote for May's deal due to fears of no deal? The anti-brexit parties first action to vote for a brexit deal?

I understand how they got here but what do they do now?

Are any of these popular in their constituencies?

Given that one of their criticisms of Corbyn is that he's 'enabling a Tory Brexit', they are unlikely to be supporting May's deal. Other than preventing a Corbyn led Labour Party winning a General Election, I've no idea what their gameplan is.

all of these people speak like scared children

and if kgm interrupted a proper politician like that hed be eating the fucking mic

Enabling a Tory Brexit is shit but taking attention away from the government’s failings & impending crashout is infinitely shittier. Gavin Williamson must be laughing with his tarantula today.

Smith's racist comments will have pleased some of the Penistonian inbreds earlier, but her brexit stance will alienate others.

Racism for some, miniature European flags for others.

as napoleon said, never, or was it always? interrupt your opponent when he is making a mistake. in any case, it is with heavy heart that i etc club etc club

I bet Chuka is secretly harbouring wet dreams of replicating Macron's walk down the Champs Elysee, or wherever it was, on winning the French Presidential Election.

Chuka thinks of himself as Obama, not Macron.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chuka-umunnas-british-obama-wikipedia-entry-came-from-his-former-office-8569083.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/apr/19/nick-clegg-obama

lol the graun haven't deleted this from their archive out of pure embarrassment yet.

Is Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg an Obama-style hero for our times, a Churchillian leader or a popular rebel in the mould of Che Guevara? Perhaps he's just another great British underdog

I understand that the main aim is to stop a Labour government, thats been clear for years, but that doesn't answer the question of how this actually helps them. I can't really see any interest in policy of any kind, seems to be more about the leader (presumably once Corbyn is replaced anti-semitism will disappear with him and they can rejoin?)

They have a lot to lose from any upcoming election, which must be a real risk given the landscape

lol thx to the gdn's weird page furniture choices i thought the nick-clegg-is-obama piece was actually BY nick clegg

My pleasure. https://t.co/NmNwRsRzFc

— John Prescott (@johnprescott) February 18, 2019

class

I for one am extremely happy that we're back in another era of ears-to-the-door kremlinology and bullshit briefings around PLP meetings. how delightfully retro

Also they probably know that if you quit a party because of a man approaching his 70s at a particularly febrile and unstable period in history without a very good reason then you're an idiot.

I know a few of us are counting the days and all but Corbyn has shown pretty good durability so far. Besides there is a high chance of the next leader coming from the left which would mean reduced career opportunities for these MPs deciding to stay and I wouldn't say that the people who stay are going to win, history doesn't automatically repeat itself and the conditions for what they might call a win just aren't there.

The next leader is extremely likely to come from the left but it's also basically a cert that they will be pro-European, which removes at least one plank of objection. For all we know they won't be under immediate siege from within their own party and as a result more likely to reach out to a wider pool of MPs - whatever the make-up of the PLP is after the next election.

good job this shower of clowns is the main story today and not the Fox Hunt tag team fucking up trade deal talks with Japan + angering them with their "high handed" talk and obvious desperation.

Not sure about that. I can see a lot of MPs that I thought might make the jump today would have problems with a left programme (building more council housing or bringing in nationalisation etc., higher taxes for the rich), so I think the membership and momentum will be constantly on their case. And I am guessing by the time Corbyn is done a lot of the questions around Europe might be settled as well. But yes its likely the next leader will be more imperialist. xp

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/18/good-riddance-penistone-locals-have-their-say-on-labour-angela-smith-resignation

Inspired by #LabourSplit, I am resigning from the Dept. of Politics @ Concrete Hope to form a new Independent Academic Network (membership =me); this is not a new Dept. but could develop into one. For now I remain in my office but won’t be obeying orders to teach or see students.

— Prof. Brit Pol (@ProfBritPol_PhD) February 18, 2019

The questions around Europe will never be settled, the relationship is going to be consistently in flux and the country is going to be arguing about this for decades.

this stuff sounds boilerplate but it really is lack of:

1) vision - to see that this could fucking happen
2) leadership - to say shut the fuck up ERG and if you don't like it try your luck with paul nuttall

taking about cameron obv

L

that Angela Smith graun piece has a very misleading url, i think it was only the old lad who looks like a 17th pirate in the photo who actually says good riddance - fair play to him though.

17th century

The outcomes around Brexit might be settled in a few weeks, in some way. And Corbyn is around for that.

In terms of the future the what to do about Europe question will take a back seat to climate change. In a few years we might laugh that we even gave it that much thought in the first place. xps to Matt

Well yes we're fiddling while the earth burns but good luck dealing with climate change without greater international cooperation.

Don’t make me laugh, I can almost guarantee that every issue from now on will be seen through the lens of Europe. Either comparing the UK to Europe or saying whatever issue would be better solved in/out/in a different relationship with Europe.

Outside Europe there will be no money and the ERG fuckers will be pushing for all pollution controls, labour market rules, everything else to be sent back to Victorian times. Inside Europe and they’ll be pushing the side of the bus bullshit.

Outside Europe they’ll be no money and if labour gets in then they’ll spend a lot of energy and political capital patching up the UK’s relationship with the rest of the world from a very weak position.

Inside Europe well patching up has to happen and the whole russian/hedge fund/tinpot Machiavelli orchestrated shit show continues.

Whichever way things go feelings of division and betrayal will dominate politics for decades.

At least the economic slump with be good for the environment.

At best, and this is pure fantasy, Corbyn squeaks in with a hung parliament supported by a rainbow coalition of nats, libs, the Indy tinge and he somehow trades of a second referendum for electoral reform, devo max and a rainbow unicorn.

Yes Matt international coorperation which means Europe and the rest of the world. A lot of it really feels like a fiddle while the world burns for sure.

Lol no one is going to care on whatever agreement is passed through fucking Parliament, or what the ERG does or doesn't do when we see consequences from the world burning up. Coorperation is what will be needed and no one is going to listen to the ERG saying 'uh this is a betrayal we voted to leave back in 2016'. Its peanuts.

lol that posh young self-identifying Blairite on ITV news from Penistone was a real piece of work.

Kirsty Wark doing her darnedest to persuade another Labour MP to resign.