What do you sound like on Nu-ILX?

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I was messing around with a beat I programmed this afternoon and then realised I could have a go at singing Bjork over it, so I did:

https://soundcloud.com/charlieframe/all-is-full-of-love

frame casual (dog latin), Saturday, 16 February 2019 19:37 (five months ago) link

DJI- I wish I could play drums! Alas, just loops. I state where they came from in the individual song info on bandcamp.

Here's something else:

https://austinato.bandcamp.com/album/the-best-ever

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 18 February 2019 18:23 (four months ago) link

so is that the best way to release something that samples someone else's work? i have a song that samples a bar of drums and i'd like to release it as part of my album but i'm not sure if that sort of attribution is enough. doubting it will ever be heard by much more than immediate friends but still don't want to be a dick about it.

Heez, Monday, 18 February 2019 19:18 (four months ago) link

Is it an old/classic break or from a newer work? Honestly it doesn't matter these days unless real money is involved, but if it's a blatant/recognizable sample then giving credit is nice, especially if it's from someone who's still working.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 18 February 2019 20:23 (four months ago) link

yeah, it's a cuban beat... not hugely recognizable, but they are currently working (and well paid i assume). i guess i'm wondering if it ever becomes an issue if i put it in the marketplace like spotify/itunes

Heez, Monday, 18 February 2019 20:47 (four months ago) link

Not unless they hear it and want money, which won't happen unless it pops off and, y'know, makes a boatload of money.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 18 February 2019 21:24 (four months ago) link

I like this Austin. Very dreamy! Nice counterpoint guitar tones. Little bit shoegazey, but not obviously so... Makes me think of something on Everything's Alright Forever, one of those hazy hot tunes.

DJI - this is great too. Lovely sorta Balearic-meets-Krautrock vibes. Really really nice

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 18 February 2019 22:55 (four months ago) link

Thank you, everyone!

I figure I'm a guy that records in my bedroom and posts music for free, with the intention of never accepting a single penny for any recording of my music. . . so, I'm not too worried. The two or three folks that download anytime I put something new up will be devastated when the lawsuits from Van Morrison, the James Bown estate, etc., etc. start showing up. I figure it's not me playing the drums, so I should probably give credit.

And, with that, here's something else entirely: https://austinato.bandcamp.com/track/38

It's part of this, which I think will probably be ongoing for quite some time. I'm not exactly sure what it is, yet.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 16:30 (four months ago) link

i think that's a good attitude, austin! i have always been very liberal about reusing elements of other people's work in my own, but that's because i always try to place it in a new context rather than just straight up ripping something off, and i'm not making any money off of anything. on the rare occasion that i get commissions or get invited to show something in public, i only use my own elements. if i ever did use someone else's work in something that would earn me money, i would get their permission first.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 16:34 (four months ago) link

i would get their permission first.

Essentially what it amounts to.👍🏻

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 18:26 (four months ago) link

Of course, I tactfully avoid this tricky situation by never making money for creative work

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 18:49 (four months ago) link

i would get their permission first.


That’s not so easy as far as I can tell!

Heez, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:31 (four months ago) link

yeah, exactly - I mean, it depends on what you're doing. recently some dude wanted to use conferencecall.biz as part of his live performance so he contacted me ahead of time and of course i was cool with it. but the james brown estate is probably going to tell you to fuck off

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:38 (four months ago) link

the ease of doing something doesn't really relate to whether or not it's the right thing to do. asking permission is clearly the right thing to do. if it is difficult and you think your request for permission may be denied, why not use something else or make your own thing or whatever?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:41 (four months ago) link

well i have asked, just haven't heard back. the funny thing is that it's something i added very late to the song and could take it off very easily (it's just played on the outro) or even make a different version of the beat but it sounds sooooooo good and i love it. but i also didn't perform it or record it so i feel weird using it. anyway, gonna keep trying to get permission for now... just wondering about ppls general feelings about this sort of thing

Heez, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:11 (four months ago) link

I respectfully disagree with La Lechera on whether or not it's clearly the right thing to do, although I will freely acknowledge that I hold a minority viewpoint on these kinds of things. i lean toward cory doctorow's views on copyright. as far as existing laws go, i think the visual arts world's lenient stance on reappropriating material makes much more sense than the music world's version, which just seems bonkers and overly restrictive imo, and way too accommodating to corporations.

with all that said, i totally support the idea that with music, at least, if you intend to profit in any way, or even think it's possible that you would in the future, you MUST get permission first. and if you can't, you should find another way to do it without sampling someone else's music. note that i don't think this is a good situation or that's how the perfect world would operate - there are plenty of visual artists who appropriate things all the time, and it's generally covered by fair use as long as you're doing something creative/artistic with it. and even when you're not (like a lot of richard prince's stuff, arguably), it's often covered by fair use(or not - he is permanently in litigation and there hasn't been a legal consensus). i wish music was like that too, but it's not. copyright is much more restrictive with music. so to prevent yourself from being sued, you have to ask permission first.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:42 (four months ago) link

I agree with both sides to some extent. If you're sampling a recording, you're going to have to contact the artist's label in most cases, so if you're not going to make any real money then it's not even worth alerting them to your existence. And some genres have a proud tradition of sampling, bootlegging, etc. It can still be a controversial topic though, even in terms of making a Bandcamp release of dance remixes/bootlegs of pop songs 'pay what you want'.

On the other hand, I personally go to great lengths to avoid it, and for me it's part of the fun to replay or recreate samples. And if I make a bootleg I won't charge for it, but I don't get mad if others do (especially if it's all-original production).

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:02 (four months ago) link

I'm not clearing a Fleetwood Mac drum loop I'm using on a new thing

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:57 (four months ago) link

You guys need some irl drummers :)
I don’t feel too strongly about it honestly, I just feel strongly about the act of asking for permission in general.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 22:20 (four months ago) link


the james brown estate is probably going to tell you to fuck off

Well then, I can play that song in a jokey style without the drums: https://soundcloud.com/austin-anderson-337534977

So, THERE.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 00:23 (four months ago) link

I'd love an IRL drummer but everyone I know is in like 3 bands!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 01:29 (four months ago) link

i could stand to be in at least one more band tbh
every time i think something is getting off the ground, it stalls

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 02:18 (four months ago) link

Xxxxp thanks dog latin! I’ve always loved dance music, used to DJ, etc. it’s super-fun to be making a new type of music (aside from the band I’m in with shakey). The tracks we’ve put out so far are more like b-sides. Im excited about some of the other tracks even more. We got an amazing saxophonist to play on one track, and I have a couple of breakbeat tracks that I’m saving for a later release.

DJI, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 16:08 (four months ago) link

https://austinato.bandcamp.com/track/34

A very old song, reassessed.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 25 February 2019 14:25 (four months ago) link

What does yr dad sound like on nu-ilx (first movement starts around 3:30)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzohsaDtTQg

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 19:54 (four months ago) link

three weeks pass...

the end of an era.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Sunday, 31 March 2019 23:07 (three months ago) link

New track for 4/20. I did the dark pads and Streichfett arpeggiator on this.

https://libertyrecording.bandcamp.com/track/victor-victoria

DJI, Saturday, 20 April 2019 18:32 (two months ago) link

Very much a "sound journey." I digs.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Sunday, 21 April 2019 15:12 (two months ago) link

We've got a Valentine's Day track too!
https://soundcloud.com/balboa-park/song-for-capricorn

Feeling this one!

paolo, Monday, 22 April 2019 18:19 (two months ago) link

So I've been making my own tracks for a while now, and you can hear em here - https://soundcloud.com/pluwa. Not really sure how to describe them (which I know sounds super-pretentious), some are a bit Balearicy or ambient, some are a bit moodier...

paolo, Monday, 22 April 2019 18:22 (two months ago) link

the end of an era.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 1 April 2019 00:07 (three weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is good too! Neu-style vibes...

paolo, Monday, 22 April 2019 18:23 (two months ago) link

Thank you for listening!

I like your stuff too, paolo. It's very skeletal and atmospheric.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:58 (two months ago) link

Ta!

paolo, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 08:43 (two months ago) link

some melancholy piano for this melancholy life

https://pimm.bandcamp.com

lumen (esby), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 23:38 (two months ago) link

Pretty! Mind if I sample any of that and use it for other stuff?

DJI, Thursday, 25 April 2019 02:29 (two months ago) link

please do!

lumen (esby), Thursday, 25 April 2019 04:04 (two months ago) link

really nice, esby

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 25 April 2019 16:37 (two months ago) link

my bandcamp was getting out of hand, so streamlined my it over the weekend. now the singles and non-long playing stuff have their own artist listings:

austinato*singles

the proper austinato artist page is still there; less massive now though.

[url=https://austinatosingles.bandcamp.com/album/second-wind-for-jamie]this is the latest thing; was posted yesterday.[url]

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 6 May 2019 16:27 (two months ago) link

whoops. you get the idea.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 6 May 2019 16:27 (two months ago) link

four weeks pass...

I think I (with former (?) ILXor ESOJ have written a bit of a non-standard pop hit, and a really nice video was made for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfvdGNWSvJI

S-, Monday, 3 June 2019 04:48 (one month ago) link

Lovely stuff!

paolo, Monday, 3 June 2019 17:40 (one month ago) link

S-, that is indeed a very beautiful thing you have done there!

new release from me: 'brooke's theme.'

also, i've been posting covers and oddball stuff on my soundcloud. apparently i do prince-sampling happy mondays covers now.. i'm actually pretty okay with this.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Saturday, 15 June 2019 16:18 (one month ago) link

Thank you very much paolo and Austin!

There's a whole album now!

https://constantlight.bandcamp.com/album/approach

S-, Sunday, 16 June 2019 05:11 (one month ago) link

I don't visit this thread as often as I should, but just listening to the Constant Light album now and it rules.

emil.y, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:08 (four weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

really lovely stuff, austin!

the 4th track was playing out of my crappy laptop speakers (sorry!) and for a second i thought i was listening to cleaners to venus!

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 5 July 2019 02:39 (one week ago) link

you are a saint for listening!

thank you for the feedback — i am always simultaneously embarrassed and honored when my music gets compared to, like, actual music. i have never heard of cleaners from venus before; a quick google tells me that i have some investigating to do this weekend. double thanks!

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 5 July 2019 18:02 (one week ago) link

Some new weird stuff from me:

HEP LAD - EP LAD H

EZ Snappin, Friday, 5 July 2019 20:13 (one week ago) link


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