Ryan Adams

my struggle, by john mayer

https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.378578184.6509/throwpillow,small,750x1000-bg,f8f8f8.u11.jpg

Laura Snapes straight up mowing pricks down here:

Anyway here’s what I think about male “genius” and the pathetic lengths the music industry will go to in order to cover for awful men https://t.co/mVx3lqCwkU

— Laura Snapes (@laurasnapes) February 14, 2019

wonder how many teenage girls the Dead f****d while on the road. probably all of them!

I’m open to being schooled by someone with more knowledge on the subject, but I’ve never had the impression that the Dead were known for this.

I specifically meant a reputation with women but shit like that interview tends to be comorbid with that

also I can't believe there exist people in the world who don't know about that interview

I would pay $1500 right now to not have the mental image of a 4-inch-tall engorged Klan leader standing proud in the pubic forest of a multiplatinum blues-pop singer-songwriter

Mein Cock

I sort of regret mentioning the Mayer tweet

You can drop 'the' and 'tweet,' really.

My Body Is A Dixieland

Making your romantic partner feel bad about themselves and their abilities is evil, insidious behavior, but it’s harder for outsiders—or the state—to weigh in there, even if adams in the end did more harm in this instance

― Trϵϵship, 14. februar 2019 20:21 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Psychological abuse is criminalized in many countries, and is in the process of being so in Denmark. While the age of consent is 15. So.

― Frederik B, Thursday, February 14, 2019 4:51 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is interesting-- i looked it up and it seems ireland is the first country to specifically criminalize emotional abuse and they did so this year. from what i read of the legislation, i support it, but it will be interesting to see how this legislation ends up being enacted

sorry -- forgot how to read -- france did this in 2010.

How is it defined under the law?

many xps, but I know blessedly little about most of these people! I'm too busy in my own community of musical interest and only perked up last year to figure out whether I wanted to go to a local music festival a couple years back where Adams was a headliner and opted not to go.

It's appropriate that Mayer comes up here, since he kind of had the career Adams was set up/setting himself up for, down to the gig w/the Dead.

From the Istanbul convention:

Article 33 – Psychological violence
Parties shall take the necessary legislative or other measures to ensure that the intentional conduct of seriously impairing a person’s psychological integrity through coercion or threats is criminalised.

The FBI is now involved. That was quick!

yeah, was just reading that. it's a serious crime.

14!

"What is being black?"

I'm gonna be stuck on that at least through the weekend, folks

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/arts/music/ryan-adams-fbi-explicit-communications-underage.html

patchy fucker

I...I don't think this year will see three Ryan Adams LPs.

In related news:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/prosecutors-are-moving-to-indict-r-kelly-after-the-discovery-of-another-videotape

I...I don't think this year will see three Ryan Adams LPs.

Apparently the pre-orders have been pulled from his website...

https://shop.paxamrecords.com/collections/big-colors

This made me think of Conor Oberst, who was cleared of a rape charge years ago. If that accusation had happened today, the conversation would have been entirely different. I wonder if we need to look at those past accusations in a different light. Perhaps he didn't rape someone, but did he exercise some sort of power or do anything that, today, would be considered sexual misconduct? I'm not trying to distract the conversation, but it does make me think some people have gotten off easy in the past, when really shitty behavior was passable as long as it didn't involve a crime.

the conor oberst thing turned out to be made up and was retracted by the accuser

and it only was resolved like 4 years ago and lots of people assumed his guilt

one of the things that burns me up the most about this is the way he insidiously poisoned his victims' relationship with music. not only is he a lying, promise-breaking, misleading, objectifying POS, he made it difficult for women to find peace and emotional security in music, which i believe is precious. his lying and manipulation took something else away from people that is more precious than a hundred thousand virginities if they were countable. i was not a fan but i am disgusted on behalf of the people who did like his music and trusted him. ugh fuck this guy.

i just read laura snapes' thing and she really gets to the heart of it

It is, in the words of the New Statesman critic Anna Leszkiewicz, women doing “the boring work of killing our idols” – the male artists who let us down time after time – while male predators kill the dreams of the young women who admire them. Two women in the NYT’s report about Adams say that their interactions with him extinguished their desire to ever make music again. If the allegations are true, these women – and probably thousands more with similar stories about other men – are the collateral damage of a protectionist industry whose power brokers operate out of fear of their own irrelevance. It is pathetic.

For an example of an interviewer abetting this letting off the hook dynamic

http://clrvynt.com/michael-gira-interview/

man hearing these fucks "extinguished their desire to ever make music again" really stings as someone who loves to make music and understands how fulfilling it can be

/wonder how many teenage girls the Dead f****d while on the road. probably all of them!/

I’m open to being schooled by someone with more knowledge on the subject, but I’ve never had the impression that the Dead were known for this.

Broad agree with lalecera apart from..

something else away from people that is more precious than a hundred thousand virginities if they were countable.

.... Whoa horsey!

His whole insta is positive comments. Are the management team keeping clean?!?

ll otm. Without meaning to downplay the sexism suffered by women in other professions, music means more to me that movies, etc. It's primal and spritual at the deepest level. Ever since I was a child, I have woken up looking forward to the music that I'm going to experience throughout my day and how fucked would it be to take that away from someone else?

A few years back, Jessica Hopper started something on twitter, where a ton of women spoke up about the abuse and indignities that had been piled on them by men in the music industry. It was eye-opening and disheartening for me. But I don't think many names were named, if at all. And a lot of the abuse came from audiences and fairly anonymous types like security guards and recording studio staff.

There have obviously been other accusations against more high-profile artists and producers, but for some reason it doesn't feel like it's taken on the snowball effect of the Hollywood Me-Too movement.

xpost - Instagram has an options where only accounts you are following can comment. So he either has that activated or has turned off new comments altogether.

The Adams story, Snapes article plus the Hopper thread does make you wonder whether there will be an avalanche of stories about musicians on the horizon similar to what we saw with Weinstein. Lord knows there’s more than enough material – but I suspect the question will be whether there are enough resources in the music press or clicks to be had in the MSM to drive the investigative reporting necessary to unearth them.

Well, it's official.

This just in. pic.twitter.com/WCDuOwAkJG

— Bull Moose Vinyl (@BullMooseVinyl) February 15, 2019

ok i got a little carried away there for a second :) (though i do truly believe that a music-loving/music-making person's relationship to music is more spiritually sustaining and precious than the garbage concept of virginity) that's how angry i am. when j hopp started collecting those stories, i didn't even know where to begin. i still don't! the cumulative damage is so spread out and diffuse. i can only make up for lost time at this point.

Literally couldn't remember what RA sounded like, so checked out "New York, New York" on Youtube.

Top comment: "This song was the last straw for Bin Laden."

one of the things that burns me up the most about this is the way he insidiously poisoned his victims' relationship with music. not only is he a lying, promise-breaking, misleading, objectifying POS, he made it difficult for women to find peace and emotional security in music, which i believe is precious. his lying and manipulation took something else away from people that is more precious than a hundred thousand virginities if they were countable. i was not a fan but i am disgusted on behalf of the people who did like his music and trusted him. ugh fuck this guy.

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, February 15, 2019 12:59 AM (thirteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM and I was glad that the LS piece highlighted this. From speaking to people in other industries that have had MeToo headlines this totally happens everywhere - women get to a promising point in their career and then are completely put off or feel unable to do certain jobs/work with certain people, which always seems to end up with them compromising on success. Even other women who see it are mentally weighing up what (most) men never have to.

btw I have never knowingly heard any music by this guy

I'd like to hear from Caitlin Cary on all of this.

a more mundane reason why music is more insidious for this than movies, etc. is that it is far easier/more normalized for a fan to be in regular contact, virtual or physical, with a musician than an actor. film, for instance, doesn't really have an analogue to concerts. of course this can result in a lot of great and positive experiences, but it can also... not.

Kinder, me too, although some groupie man-worshipping type I knew was repping him, and that was reason enough for me to hate-listen to him.
"Authenticity" is a trap for women, since women have long been accused of being "fake" anyway just for being themselves. Found a link to this article, which I haven't seen before, on Twitter. Good reading:

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/music-theatre/2015/09/ryan-adams-s-1989-and-mansplaining-taylor-swift

XPS Was wondering what happened to Cary, as she seemingly fell off the map in the late '00s. Apparently she's been part of a protest band called The North Carolina Music Love Army since 2013.

This discussion reminded me of what Alanis Morissette experienced as a minor in the music business (as she has documented in several songs), and made me realize how remarkable it is that she even continued with music.

friend of ours posted on her FB that she believes the women because she was one of them. i'm not sure when it occurred but apparently he claimed he wanted to write songs with her and it took another turn when his true intent was revealed, so she walked out. She says she really just thought he liked her music and wanted to work with her! She's a pretty accomplished musician but on a much lower level profile-wise than RA. I imagine it's heartbreaking to think that a star musician would want to help you and you start to think this could be a boost to your career, and then that happens.