Ryan Adams

"too big to fail"

even w/something as extreme and blatant as the Weinstein crimes he had to be taken down by the biggest female stars currently working in Hollywood banding together with those whose careers he destroyed or inhibited. And it had to be a huge number.

les moonves was probably the most powerful person taken down by allegations

in the entertaiment industry, i mean

Matt Lauer, Charlie Rose

It's always the Ryan Adams types though never the Top people. Vaguely washed up spent forces from yesteryear. Same in Hollywood.. Spacey, Hoffman.. old decades-past-their-peak farts. It's never the Top 10 actors or massive rock stars or whoever. Like in England with the whole Yewtree stuff; always Fred The Weatherman and the bloke with the Wobbleboard, or Jim Davids0n never (INSERT BIG STAR HERE). It crosses my mind a lot to ask why that might be.

― piscesx, Thursday, February 14, 2019 12:29 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seems pretty obvious, more clout = more repercussions for someone speaking out, more people doing the math and deciding the risk is too strong

I feel like a lot of extremely famous people have lost their positions due to metoo. I disagree with the premise

well now I need to know more about big Jim D

whether Louis CK has been ruined is a debate as he's still out there doing comedy

but he certainly was one of the top comics and not perceived as washed up

also House of Cards was really big deal

The distinction being made is between house of cards-level established and absolute imperial phase fame (“top 10 actors or massive rock stars”), I cant think of any examples of the latter but if there’s anything I’ve learned it’s that ilxors love to argue endlessly on exactly how famous something is and I’m not sure that would be super helpful here

And CeeLo!

recent Counting Crows lyrics

those lyrics are 26 years old

Louie hasn't exactly emerged unscathed

Who is in that kind of untouchable “top 10 superstar” echelon? I’m not sure i even know

That’s ok

Re counting crows, i know nothing of the band, but those lyrics sound like they’re “in character” in some sense

The Lohan connection struck me because they were involved in early 2006, when she was still doing well (A Prairie Home Companion had just wrapped). And discovering this right after reading a rumor (lol Twitter) that he had introduced heroin to Parker Posey as well.

Someone might have mentioned it before, but the strokes hate him bc he kept encouraging one of them to do heroin with him

also ICP fans, the juggalos

lol

I think it's nearly completely useless to circle around the "I knew this guy was sleazy" or "this guy gave me a bad vibe" talk because it comes way too close to "I told you so" type of things

OTM. Also add "I never rated this guy..." to the completely useless file when discussing this stuff.

DO NOT read the comments on that Telegraph piece linked above, holy cow

honestly, i'm seeing a lot of posts from friends and acquaintances about their relationship with ryan's music and how hard these allegations are hitting them, and i'm not feeling a knowing glee or anything because i never liked the man or his music (besides 4 or 5 tracks on heartbreaker)--what i'm feeling is relief that i never had a deep musical connection with this guy.

I heard an interview with Jenny Lewis about working with RA on the Voyager album. While she told stories about him mostly as jokey anecdotes, there did seem to be a lot of pass/agg behavior & negging going on, and she still sounded a bit rattled.

Also add "I never rated this guy..." to the completely useless file when discussing this stuff.

― Position Position, Thursday, February 14, 2019 10:25 AM (ten minutes ago)

I actually rate his former band's cover of Gram Parson's "Song For You" pretty highly (never owned it though, unlike R. Kelly records).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoLZWWGM0EI

I actually forgot he was with Parker Posey, poor gal.

I heard an interview with Jenny Lewis about working with RA on the Voyager album. While she told stories about him mostly as jokey anecdotes, there did seem to be a lot of pass/agg behavior & negging going on, and she still sounded a bit rattled.

― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, February 14, 2019 11:37 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my mind immediately reeled back to this interview too

In a July 2014, interview with Rolling Stone, she spoke about Ryan Adams producing the album, saying: "In some ways, I felt like he was needling me. He was winding me up. I was somewhat agitated at times, and I think it put me in a really cool place to perform those songs. Ryan is the most unique producer I've ever worked with, in his approach and behavior… He made me listen to five or six Creed songs, really loudly on these beautiful tube speakers. My ears were bleeding. And it was Creed! He was like, "This is great music. I want you to hear it." And by the third song, I was like "Huh. Umm. Yeah, I can maybe see that."[4]

I’m wary of drawing connections between that type of thing and emotional abuse or sexual exploitation, honestly

Never admire anyone, never be disappointed.

(Doesn't mean don't disapprove or be outraged, n.b. it just saves you the step of "oh I thought he was a good egg.")

In hindsight that does seem ominous but still

that seems like typical record producer bullshit

It’s impossible to not admire anyone, ymp, without turning as bitter and cynical as most posters on ilx

Jenny Lewis story sounds obnoxious but innocuous, except for the Creed part.

tube speakers eh

ryan adams, go on the ‘awesome audiophile snake oil’ thread

I guess he was trying to tease her? Like, trick her into believing he thought creed was good

The Voyager is a good album

Evergreen comic

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— The Nib (@thenib) January 2, 2019

There is such an innate difference in power between famous people and civilians that I'm sure (most) of Adams' story is far from unique. I remember hearing an interview with Billy Joel, and he flat-out said some people are good looking, some people are funny, but he's rich and famous and that is what gets him beautiful women, or something like that. That's why groupies exist, the pull of that power. Now, the counterargument (from my wife) is that people attracted to famous people for the sake of it are different from people attracted to famous people with hopes for their own potential careers, and that's true, but the fact remains that it's still the person's fame that is usually pulling people in in the first place, and the dynamic is still unhealthy. Might be why so many famous people end up partnering with other famous people?

The underage stuff with Adams is the most damning of all these accusations.

the stuff with minors is bad but it's difficult for me to say it's quantifiably worse than manipulating/exploiting an adult

Well, to start with, one's illegal.

It’s less ambiguous

please god let’s not start this

What?

The "actually it's ephebophilia" argument

I said the opposite of that i think

Googles. Immediately regrets Googling.

Treesh, just admire artworks, it's way easier than admiring artists.

engaging in discussion about whether one type of abuse is ‘worse’ than another

it’s not going to be a useful or productive discussion xp to treesh