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I loved Paw back in the day. Great live band.

Paw's Dragline was one of my 8 free CDs from Columbia House back in the day, that's the main thing I remember about it.

listening to Paw's Dragline right now and buffing Kim Thayil's scrote, sounds p good tbh

Kim Thayil's scrote can actually melt steel beams

Death to Traitors is great too.

I listened to Dragline this morning for the first time in decades. Felt pretty much the same about it as I did back then: The guitar-work is great - there are some really catchy and beautiful guitar lines. The lyrics are embarrassing in a way that's hard to put a finger on. Maybe a just a bit too plain-spoken, earnest/confessional... I don't know. The vocalist sounds like they dragged him into the studio right off of a combine. The album loses steam after the first few songs and I really didn't remember any of the later songs. I decided I really didn't want to listen to the lyrics to "Lolita" at all. Still a fun trip down memory lane.

After listening to that I got to thinking about other albums of that era. My potentially controversial opinion is that Brad's "Shame" was one of the best grunge adjacent albums of that era.

I'd co-sign that. Shawn Smith's voice is a beautiful thing.

The first Satchel record, too.

I remember really disliking Paw but also kind of confusing them with Seven Mary Three (who I also didn't like). I did like that Brad record a lot at the time though but sold it decades ago and haven't heard it since.

Dragline, Churn, and Shame all have basically the same 90s-as-fuck covers though.

my weed dealer's fav band was Brad i should investigate again

Scott Walker has better songs than Bowie.

that's more of a yawn-troversial opinion

Dad humor. Of course.

y'know what?
y'know what?
FUCK Led Zeppelin

i totally would

Belated appreciative post for “yawn-troversial”

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When I was in high school and very into Coltrane, I saw Pharaoh Sanders at a music festival without knowing his music too well although knowing he had played with Coltrane. I couldn't get past my impression of him as a faker, and that has stuck with me to date even though some of his music is ok. The contrast between his showboaty spiritual schtick and Coltrane's introspection still bothers me.

it took me some time to appreciate john coltrane. i never understood the appeal of "a love supreme". so repetitive, so uninspired, so boring. a waste of listening time. but then i heard ascension and meditation and i was overwhelmed by the energy and intensity. fabulous stuff. pharoah sanders music i have liked from the beginning. to me his music emanates spirituality. fake or not fake is not a question i ask myself in this context.

When I was in high school ... I saw Pharaoh Sanders at a music festival

assuming we are around the same age, i can say the same. and i had a similar impression. i saw wayne shorter at the same festival, doing a very similar thing w electric instruments, and had a similar impression again ... but (rockism alert) really who isn't faking it to some extent in the fourth decade of their career?

showboaty spiritual schtick

people made the same criticism of coltrane!

i never understood the appeal of "a love supreme". so repetitive, so uninspired, so boring

comment does what it says on the tin

(the repetition is the point)

1) it's literally a hymn and 2) did you know they go over the theme in all 12 keys over the course of the song? that's kind of cool if you think about it

I too prefer Ascension but I won't die on the street for its sake.

did you know they go over the theme in all 12 keys over the course of the song

Pharoah Sanders and Alice Coltrane have both routinely been called out for their 'showboaty spiritual schtick' over the years - though not so much lately - so I don't think it's that controversial an opinion.

3 days late but is this where I admit I liked Paw, Brad and Satchel too?

Pigeonhed or gtfo

them too

Shawn Smith's voice is a beautiful thing.

Agreed! Saw a solo Showbox lounge show last decade, and his vocals were just as good live as on the albums. Shame no new Pigeonhed in the years since The Full Sentence.

Controversial nowhere but ILX: if you prefer Meditations, Ascension, or OM to any Coltrane prior to 1965, you are insane

you should've seen deej on the all time jazz poll then

ahhh spiritual hat jazz ... a legendary debate

theres def a rock critic reverence for all things spiritual hat at the expense of 'conservative' hard bop (what makes one conservative and one not decades later is left to the vague aesthetic rationalizations of the consumer)

heh it's not really a debate when the entire thread piled on you, is it?

if i was wrong maybe it wouldnt be a debate

an awful lot of hard bop made it,no? I know I voted for a lot of it.

Probably just depends on what the performer is wearing

it was a fun poll to do though

xxxp for me this would have been the North Sea jazz festival I think in 1996? And I did in fact also see an underwhelming Wayne Shorter set that I can’t remember much else about (I was already a fan of his blue note albums at the time so it was a letdown).

For me Coltrane was at his best in the 1961 Village Vanguard sessions, but Interstellar Space is up there with the best ones for me.

the vast majority of artists we like would make terrible ilxors

For me Coltrane was at his best in the 1961 Village Vanguard sessions

for me too

Controversial nowhere but ILX: if you prefer Meditations, Ascension, or OM to any Coltrane prior to 1965, you are insane

― Paul Ponzi

any or all? because he did some stuff for junk money that is not necessarily up to the standard of "meditations"

Agree re village vanguard 1961, prob tied with the impulse self-titled for my fav Coltrane.

live at birdland is prob my number 1 tbh

ahhh spiritual hat jazz ... a legendary debate

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, February 18, 2019 3:29 PM (three hours ago

for posterity, please link? personally the stuff I tend to like ends up being right before the spiritual hat phase, so maybe i like avant-hat jazz? idk instinctively i feel like there is a lot of taste overlap between ppl who are into krautrock and psych and "spiritual hat jazz" ... maybe it's less so here than w/my friends ... idk

Oh Sun Ship is another fav though as far as later Coltrane. Sometimes I think elvin and McCoy sound frustrated by the Be direction on the later albums, but on that one the tension is good.

By the *new* direction

this is the jazz poll

JAZZ IS LIKE HEROIN TO ME ! ! ! ~~~~ ILM POST-1945 JAZZ ALBUMS POLL - THE RESULTS COUNTDOWN (now counting top 25!)

dunno where exactly the spiritual hat debate kicks off, but it continues at length and throughout