MATTHEW BOWER (Pure/Total/Skullflower/Sunroof!/Hototogisu/Voltigeurs)

Sorry I went bald

that would be a good band name / album title / track title for a power electronics group

yeah, fucking on a pile of corpses is in line with jacking off making airplane noises imo --

As a long-time DIJ/C93/NWW/Whitehouse fan, this guy has always passed me by for some reason but this incident has spurred me on to check him out. IIIrd Gatekeeper sounding particularly fine at the moment.

― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 19:49 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

o_O

lol ... "if you liked this band associated with fascism, you might like this other artist also associated with fascism!"

this to me is like guys who post fucked up alt-right memes even though they're "not racist" and just "doing it for the lols."
assosciate yourself with that kind of negative/hateful attiude/imagery for long enough and can you be surprised when someone thinks you might, in fact, be kind of sketchy? says a lot to me that a good chunk of people trying to defend Bower are calling out his critics as snowflakes who need a safe space. like, if that's your positioning, i'm not going to argue with you, but i think it's a laughable defense.

i'll say in the interest of full-disclosure that i have enjoyed some of this guy's music, particularly as the late great alludes to the more ambient/minimal/simplistic stuff. Never a power electronics guy.

prurient sucks,

yes maybe this is where i turn in my credentials too, because i feel like there are any number of perfectly serviceable noise bands w/ non sketchy politics that can cover, say, the hole left in my life by never listening to iiird gatekeeper again

yeah, i enjoyed this dude's stuff, and especially with richard youngs. I've kind of fallen off listening to a lot of this kind of thing since leaving glasgow tho. not really interested in the art of fascists at this juncture

is there anyone who's "fascinated" by nazi and right wing iconography that doesn't ultimately turn out to be suspect?

dopplereffekt? not sure if that's the same thing though

I don't know anything about Prurient's politics; I interviewed him for The Wire back in 2011 and he seemed like a saddo mama's boy more than anything else. I like that 4CD thing he put out the other year, though.

i don't think he's a white supremacist, just a shitty guy

cool posts

a few months ago a good friend who is a southwestern desert state libertarian loaned me a genocide organ box set. i found it to be a bracing aesthetic experience, by which i mean just looking at the track titles and the box "art" was enough for me. i did give it one listen but after 15-20 minutes i was like "boy i sure am glad i spent my youth being down w/ crash worship instead of these guys"

is there a general discussion thread for this type of thing? i had feelings about it but didn't take it to ILM at the time.

and even that turned out to be problematic!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Wolff

i remember that guy -- i remember learning he was problematic and not being able to enjoy whatever music I had enjoyed (mostly one song iirc). he lived on a commune of some kind? lots of pagan stuff? idk. i'm easily turned off.

is there anyone who's "fascinated" by nazi and right wing iconography that doesn't ultimately turn out to be suspect?

Feel like this quick list has been given an historical free pass:

The Rolling Stones
David Bowie
Iggy
Bryan Ferry
Lemmy
Joy Division
Siouxsie & The Banshees
Malcolm McLaren
Sex Pistols

https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.20555/title.gunplay-explains-meaning-behind-swastika-tattoo#

TW: photo

oof

https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.20555/title.gunplay-explains-meaning-behind-swastika-tattoo🕸#

TW: photo

boy i sure am glad i spent my youth being down w/ crash worship instead of these guys"

the friend involved w/ the problematic festival was a member of crash worship

and even that turned out to be problematic!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Wolff

― the late great, Wednesday, February 13, 2019 12:47 PM (yesterday)

lol! different guy, but lol.

southwestern desert state libertarian

as numerous as the creosote

ha i was wondering if yr southwestern desert state libertarian Genocide Organ fan was the same one I knew, but ... well, at least they could become friends.

is the 16 Horsepower/Wovenhand guy problematic or just weird? i can't tell...he's verged into neofolk-ish territory

remember roger adultery? that guy was kind of responsible for putting me off this whole musical universe. thanks roger adultery! i'm much happier nodding along to larry heard

He's on NPR now lol

woah

is the 16 Horsepower/Wovenhand guy problematic or just weird? i can't tell...he's verged into neofolk-ish territory

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, February 14, 2019 12:01 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

we're keeping an eye on him

He's on NPR now lol

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, February 14, 2019 10:06 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what?

He's the Wooden Wand guy right? Didn't he just record an album w Neil Hagerty?

i was thinking like terry gross style

xp in 2015, yeah

terrible person afaict

?

this is all terribly confusing

https://www.npr.org/search?query=%22james%20jackson%20toth%22&page=1

he does own a swastika flag fwiw

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/ypvq9y/what-do-you-do-with-your-grandfathers-genuine-nazi-flag

there's plenty of ILX threads/posts that make it pretty clear he is a wannabe edgelord of the worst stripe

was gonna say it's always struck me as curious that I've never heard it suggested he might have bad politics (or any, really) outside of this website where he managed to be banned at least once for terrible and inarguably racist posts

nah james isnt racist. He did like to troll ilx though.

doesn't that make him an "edgelord" who uses racism as a toy?
idk, imo racism isn't a tool you use to irritate people unless you are in some way racist

nah james isnt racist. He did like to troll ilx though.

― Friedrich B. Neechy (Oor Neechy), Thursday, February 14, 2019 12:36 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he isn't racist he just liked to post racist stuff on a message board as a grown man in his late 20s

while I'm also not hugely interested in hashing out the difference between 'says racist things' and 'is actually racist' in this instance I went with the former

is the 16 Horsepower/Wovenhand guy problematic or just weird? i can't tell...he's verged into neofolk-ish territory

Would be surprised and devastated if this was true about DEE. He's very Old Testament in his religious beliefs, and has been drawing links with Native American spirituality, but apart from that I dunno.

cool...his dark folk thing could just attract that element...